what colour is he???? somkey balc, black, chestnut?

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my welsh D gelding is reg as chestnut.

As you can see if he is chestnut hes a very very very very dark liver colour - but hes also not brown/or black!


so is he smokey black?

in summer hes almost a sun bleached black and in winter a black with smokey/reddish hints?

Thanks Kim

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I have to say I'm not sure from the photos. I knew a smokey black sec D (the breed does have the cream gene) who looked very similar to your one. To be sure I would send some hairs off to be tested for cream - it's not expensive now. :)

ETA. Also test for base colour (EE Ee or ee) so you know if he's chestnut based or not.
 
His mum was chestnut and dad bay, but through his mums lines there are a few pallys.

He's 15.1hh and llannina bred by llnanrth British lion , he's a complete weirdo but my horse of a lifetime he's never refused a jump and currently jumping 1.40m tracks but he will only let me ride him, he freaks n panics with other people and runs blind
 
I think he is a (very) sexy liver chestnut. I love livers. I think they looks so smart. He is a particularly dark one if that is what he is mind. Totally gorgeous whatever he is :)
 
he's very dark :) I like it when frank goes back to proper liver at certain times of year I can't remember if he is liver or not in his passport. He gets that bit from daddy ;) but doesn't get quite so dark

(this is dad not him!) but I think approximates to yours without the flaxen

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ester said:
mine is 19yo this year and still spooked at his shadow yesterday :rolleyes:

eta pah rhino, warmblood poncy thing :p I bet it likes its own shadow and everything :p
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Well if it was anything like my own ginger warmblood poncy thing it wouldn't know HOW to spook :p :D Don't like the overbent-ness or what looks like photoshopping out of draw reins though :rolleyes:
 
Sorry, I hadn't read that bit.

ETA: Unless his Dad was mistakenly identified as bay. My sister has a (genetically veriified) buckskin that looks more like a bay.
 
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I cant help with the colour but he is lovely!

But rhino i think im in love although your right about the photoshop! Oh i wonder if when my 9 month old warmblood filly will look that one day because at the moment she looks like 3 different horses stuck together with her silly growth spurts!
 
A smokey black HAS to have true black points (i.e. legs must be black while body may be lighter), as does a bay - even a washy bay has black on its lower extremities. And duns can be very dark, as in a "biscuit" dun. Colour genetics are now quite advanced, ask any colour geek! (I'm not one, BTW)
 
Cortez said:
A smokey black HAS to have true black points (i.e. legs must be black while body may be lighter), as does a bay - even a washy bay has black on its lower extremities. And duns can be very dark, as in a "biscuit" dun. Colour genetics are now quite advanced, ask any colour geek! (I'm not one, BTW)
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is that correct? i only ask as i know the smokey black at Brackenspa very well (worked there for over a year) and he hasn't got a single black hair on him anywhere.
 
I.M.N. said:
Maybe he's this newfangled brown I keep reading in adverts lol. Lovely whatever.
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Brown isn't newfangled :confused: It is down to the agouti gene acting as a diluter on a black based horse. Browns and Bays are genetically different.

georgie0 said:
is that correct? i only ask as i know the smokey black at Brackenspa very well (worked there for over a year) and he hasn't got a single black hair on him anywhere.
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No, smoky black is the result of one copy of the cream gene on a black base (2 copies would be a smoky cream). Generally the body fades more than the legs, but this is believed to be due to bleaching rather than a direct effect of the expression of the gene. A simple and inexpensive DNA test would prove this :)
 
Agouti is technically not a seperate gene, but rather a piece of the black gene called an allele. It can occur in three forms: A-agouti (meaning the horse is bay), a-non agouti (meaning the horse remains black), and At-brown (a color often confused with dark bay, but genetically different from bay).
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^ From the colour website, linked to earlier in the thread. :)
 
rhino said:
Brown isn't newfangled :confused: It is down to the agouti gene acting as a diluter on a black based horse. Browns and Bays are genetically different.



No, smoky black is the result of one copy of the cream gene on a black base (2 copies would be a smoky cream). Generally the body fades more than the legs, but this is believed to be due to bleaching rather than a direct effect of the expression of the gene. A simple and inexpensive DNA test would prove this :)
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I didn't mean the colour was new I meant I seem to read it in adverts a lot more now then I ever have before. I assume people simply used liver chestnut, black, etc before.
 
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I.M.N. said:
I didn't mean the colour was new I meant I seem to read it in adverts a lot more now then I ever have before. I assume people simply used liver chestnut, black, etc before.
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Fair enough, I'm used to thoroughbreds who have always been called Brown I think :) Surely to say 'mud coloured' would be a better selling point :confused: :D
 
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