What colour is this?

[SoundTheBugle]

Hi, I'm a long-time reader but have never posted before.

Duke is a 4 year old Clydesdale x cob. No idea what the colouring on the cob side is. His colour has changed with his summer coat coming through this year and I was wondering if anyone could help explain it? Is he very slowly greying out, or is it something else?

He has gained white patches by his armpits and consistent white flecking through his coat, but not enough to pick up on camera or from a distance. His feathers, which haven't previously been grown out, are white even on the legs without socks and his mane and tail have a few white hairs.

The left and top right pictures are from the last week, though neither show the full extent of the white on his armpits. The middle right is from February showing his very fluffy winter coat and the bottom picture is from last summer. As you can see, there's no white other than his face, belly patch and sock until this year's summer coat.

 

[Leandy]

Isn't this just some flaxen colouring which is relatively common on a chestnut?

 

[SoundTheBugle]

Isn't this just some flaxen colouring which is relatively common on a chestnut?

He has a black mane and tail, though I appreciate the pictures don't show it super clearly, so not a chestnut

 

[Leandy]

He has a black mane and tail, though I appreciate the pictures don't show it super clearly, so not a chestnut

He doesn't have black points from these photos, look at his legs. His mane and tail may be dark but they don't appear black. I would certainly say he was chestnut from these pics. He is not bay if he does not basically have black points.

 

[Cortez]

The Clydesdale in his breeding would suggest that he possibly has some roaning coming through, which can vary a lot between summer & winter coats.

 

[Leo Walker]

He is bay! Its just panagre which is very common in bays. He would be a wild bay. They tend to lose a lot of the black leg points as well as having panagre. White ticking is really common. He has a sabino type gene which causes the high white legs, white face, probably a white chin and maybe a white splash on his belly. This can cause or increase the white ticking.

Is he def cob x clyesdale? I'd have expected a lot more bone and substance from that cross.

 

[ester]

see his coronets/pasterns definitely say red to me.

 

[Pinkvboots]

He is bay! Its just panagre which is very common in bays. He would be a wild bay. They tend to lose a lot of the black leg points as well as having panagre. White ticking is really common. He has a sabino type gene which causes the high white legs, white face, probably a white chin and maybe a white splash on his belly. This can cause or increase the white ticking.

Is he def cob x clyesdale? I'd have expected a lot more bone and substance from that cross.

This definitely I have a wild bay Arab and he has the same pale hair in the same areas.

 

[Wheels]

I'd go wild bay too

 

[JJS]

This one has me stumped - I really can’t decide if he’s red presenting strangely or wild bay! Does he have black ear tips/rims, OP?

 

[Errin Paddywack]

My old section C was a bright bay with blond legs and white socks. Also had blond hair in his mane and tail although it was predominately black. The dealer I bought him from as a yearling in 1968 called him a chestnut but I didn't agree. I guess now he was a wild bay. Such a termination wasn't known then.

 

[Lois Lame]

I also think bay with pangare.

The photos are not bright, so in some of them he doesn't look particularly bay if you know what I mean.

 

[Chinchilla]

I think he's very dark red.... "Liver chestnut".

 

[Pinkvboots]

Some pictures of my bayView attachment 43640

I think he's very dark red.... "Liver chestnut".

It's not because he has a black mane and tail, I understand where your coming from because the pictures in a distance say chestnut but his not

 

[Lois Lame]

That link didn't work for me, Pinkvboots.

 

[Pinkvboots]

I tried to put pictures but it wouldn't let me

 

[Pinkvboots]

Pictures

 

[Pinkvboots]

Just wanted to say he has a full mane but the bottom half always wants to go on the other side

 

[DabDab]

Yours is definitely bay PvB (and very pretty colouring ?). The OP's is a really curious colour...I don't know if I think pangare bay or dark chestnut

Eta: found this blog post, which is quite interesting - http://www.lonesomedovefqh.com/black-chestnut#

 

[Gloi]

All the white hairs/markings are the result of the sabino gene.

 

[Gloi]

Yours is definitely bay PvB (and very pretty colouring ?). The OP's is a really curious colour...I don't know if I think pangare bay or dark chestnut

Eta: found this blog post, which is quite interesting - http://www.lonesomedovefqh.com/black-chestnut#

Interesting link I must admit I'd be interested to see the results of a genetic test on the OPs horse

 

[Leo Walker]

This one has me stumped - I really can’t decide if he’s red presenting strangely or wild bay! Does he have black ear tips/rims, OP?

I swear I saw black ear tips in the photo, but when I went back to look I cant see them now, so now I'm not sure either!

 

[ester]

He's still red on my screen

 

[twiggy2]

I have no idea on Cour but wanted to say he is a lovey smart stamp of a horse

 

[Dusty 123]

My mare is the same color he is a blood bay .

 

[rara007]

He’s chestnut in my books. Pretty common for them to have different colour manes to bodies from silver through chestnut to black. The ‘white’ feathers also pretty normal but I don’t know the genetics behind that bit- he doesn’t look pangare enough for it to be that.

 

[Wagtail]

Red based as no black ear tips or black points. So in my opinion chestnut. The mane and tail appears very dark but very dark chestnut can look black.

 

[Lois Lame]

All the white hairs/markings are the result of the sabino gene.

Ah, that's interesting. I knew the white lower lip and the belly patch were due to sabino, but I didn't know that the white hairs were too.

 

[Lois Lame]

Yours is definitely bay PvB (and very pretty colouring ?). The OP's is a really curious colour...I don't know if I think pangare bay or dark chestnut

Eta: found this blog post, which is quite interesting - http://www.lonesomedovefqh.com/black-chestnut#

I had a liver chestnut TB gelding once, very laid back, a rather stocky build and very un-TB like, but I'm getting off track here. I remember looking at him after I'd had him a while and wondering if he was liver chestnut or sooty. I'd never heard of anyone speak of sooty chestnut before, but I, on many occasions, gazed at him and wondered.