What colour would you say?

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I will have to describe this pony as I've seen it on an advert so can't really post the pics.

A bay pony with 4 white stockings, a blaze and a white splash on his side measuring about 20cm by 30cm.

Any ideas?

I'm curious as they have him listed as 'coloured' but also as a registered section A, and strictly speaking you cannot have a 'coloured' section A.
 
To be classes as coloured there has to be a certain amount of the body that is white, not including marking on the face & legs, so I would have thought that pony would be classed as bay as there isn't enough white. Have a gander at the CHAPS or BSPA website; there's definitions and percentages on there
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From CHAPS website:
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The definition of a “coloured” animal is black and white (piebald) or white and any other colour, e.g, bay, roan, chestnut (skewbald) with a patch of naturally occuring white coat. This white patch must be on the body above the level of the stifle or elbow, excluding face markings. Any white marking below this does not qualify. Manes and tails may also be white or have white in them. Appaloosa animals with belly markings do not qualify.

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So, as the patch is above the elbow then it would be classed as coloured??...so how on earth did they manage to regsiter it?
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Could it have been registered as a young foal then coat changed colour? Although would the white splash have been there at birth
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A friends foal was born bay (and passported as bay) and is now a steel grey
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Definitely a Sabino Bay. Born with the white spot that would become bigger as he grows.

Splashed White, a overo pattern, does not exist in Welsh pony breed.
 
I would imagine that the definition of coloured is probably different for the WPCS and CHAPS etc, hence it could be eligible for both? not sure though,
 
Arabians are not meant to be coloured either but they often have the sabino patterning and in North America this is being bred exclusively to produce coloured purebred arabians. Welsh ponies have had a dose of arabian blood in them way back when so the patterning isn't surprising. I prefer my Welshies solid coloured to be honest and a good bay with high whites (who put up a picture recently?) is very eyecatching.

Link to pictures of Splash whites and sabino frame overos.

http://www.coloredhorses.com/Splashpaints.html
I have a sabino frame, the edges of the white bits are 'lacey' as opposed to well defined. She is closely related to Reddy Robin in the 'NOT splash section'

Coincidentally, the 15.2 bay yearling advertised on the right of this page has sabino patterning, here it would class as a minimal sabino frame overo.

ps, fuel to the fire, the wikipedia article states that splash white IS found in Welsh ponies.
 
I've not seen the pony in question but would agree that it is probably sabino markings, the WPCS banned excessive white markings (god knows why, it doesn't effect performance?!?) here is a link with diagrams detailing just how much white they allow: http://www.wpcs.uk.com/society/whitemarkings.html

This link explains a bit of the how and why we are getting sabino markings in our welshies and has a lot of photos of the different types of it: http://www.welshwelshcobs.com/sabino.cfm

Personally I don't see the logic behind it at all
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as my granddad used to say, "a good horse is never a bad colour!" and I personally like the look of a nice chestnut sabino section d
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