What could the stallion have looked like?

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Hello,

We got a skewbald mare when she was 4/5 years old and we didn't realise she was in foal. She then had a piebald filly who is now 4 years old. The mare is about 15hh and the filly is 15.3hh.

We are just interested to know would anybody be able to know what sort of stallion she cold be by eg, colour/height.

Mare: https://forums-secure.horseandhound.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=24508&d=1409318831
Filly: https://forums-secure.horseandhound.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=24509&d=1409318834

Thanks
 
Lovely filly. She looks to have tons of potential, not just in the colored classes.
Difficult to say on the stallion... some stamp their stock very strongly, some not at all!
Also your filly may yet grow another hand dependent on the breed... my chaps continued to grow right through to about 7/8 even though (as with your girl) they weren't bum high.

Honestly I'd be inclined to say tb type sire. The tail appears set on higher, she has a more refined head than the mare, more upright hooves, little feather. I'd say a stallion of 16.2-17.2.
Is the mare bay tobiano? If so that doesn't really narrow down the stallions colour without blood tests (ie is your filly Ee or EE).
 
TBH, we have no idea of the mare's background as she is a rescue! She was presumably used under a cart as she has a unique sort of trot! What colour could the stallion have been would you know? The filly was born with very long legs and had to kneel to eat grass! Her ears or also a small bit bigger than average if that makes any difference!
 
IrishEmma said:
TBH, we have no idea of the mare's background as she is a rescue! She was presumably used under a cart as she has a unique sort of trot! What colour could the stallion have been would you know? The filly was born with very long legs and had to kneel to eat grass! Her ears or also a small bit bigger than average if that makes any difference!
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Apologies if you know this:
So, the base colour of the horse (say bay, or chestnut) is one thing.
Then there's the tobiano (coloured) factor.
Tobiano is dominant, only one copy of this gene is necessary for the horse to be coloured. So she could have got this from her mother, or her father. If the filly is homozygous, both parents must have been coloured. If she is heterozygous it's possible that the stallion could still have been coloured. I reckon a solid stallion and your mare is homozygous though, with a hetero filly.
Base colour. I think your mare has a black tail? This makes her base colour bay (Ee), with is the genes for both black (E dominant) and chestnut (e recessive) together with a modifier (agouti) for which she is heterozygous. She has not passed on the agouti. Agouti limits black to the points.
The filly's base is black. So, she could have got this from her mother. The stallion either has no agouti, or one agouti. He could therefore be bay (Ee), chestnut (recessive ee) or black (EE)
If your filly is EE her sire must have been black or bay base.

Wow, essay!
Most likely: coloured gene is from the mare, sire is solid black.
 
I agree that the most likely appearance of the sire is solid black. Statistically I would guess warmblood as there are more black WBs than TBs, but it could possibly be a black TB.
 
joulsey said:
Wow, what a lovely BOGOF!! She's seriously nice, any more photo's?
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Thanks, here is a few more photos:
https://forums-secure.horseandhound.co.uk/album.php?albumid=6705
The pics of her riding were taken during the winter. Her condition has really improved since then!

If anyone would like to give their opinion on her value, it would be appreciated! She was professionally broken last summer. Brought on slowly since then. She has been doing arena work and schooling out cross country. Done one or two charity rides!
 
bakewell said:
This makes her base colour bay (Ee)
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Ee is NOT bay.

The only base colours are black and chestnut, with black dominant over chestnut. The mare is black as her base colour but she could be EE or Ee. As she is a bay tobiano, she also has the A version of Agouti (which causes bay on a black based horse).

The filly is a black tobiano, so you know that she has at least one copy of E and at least one copy of tobiano but no Agouti. The sire could be loads of colours including chestnut based ones, so the colour of the filly isn't really that helpful in working out the sire in this case.

She's lovely :D and I also think that the sire was finer and taller than the mare, but I couldn't say further than that.
 
Faracat said:
Ee is NOT bay.

The only base colours are black and chestnut, with black dominant over chestnut. The mare is black as her base colour but she could be EE or Ee. As she is a bay tobiano, she also has the A version of Agouti (which causes bay on a black based horse).

The filly is a black tobiano, so you know that she has at least one copy of E and at least one copy of tobiano but no Agouti. The sire could be loads of colours including chestnut based ones, so the colour of the filly isn't really that helpful in working out the sire in this case.

She's lovely :D and I also think that the sire was finer and taller than the mare, but I couldn't say further than that.
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I stand corrected, I did not realise EE could be bay also with the agouti modifier. (That's right?)
 
Yes. Chestnuts (ee) can have/carry agouti but it doesn't alter the coat. Both EE and Ee look black and therefore the agouti has an effect (all three versions A, At and A+).
 
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