What do you class as a novice and experienced rider?

Novice i class as reasonably secure in seat,able to walk,trot,canter,pop small jump
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,learning about looking after a horse!
Experienced is a bit more difficult..you can be experienced but not know how to work a horse correctly and know more about the management side..or you can be experienced and know how to work a horse correctly
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and know alot about management!
 
I'm a novice - I can do all the things listed above to a pretty good standard. However, I have little idea about aids to ask a horse to perform certain manouvres, particularly dressage. I would struggle to get a horse to lead with the correct leg in canter if not turning
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. This is mainly due to a lack of tuition and nowhere to get any round here either!
 
I like that explanation mike007, it is the same with most skills. A novice car driver has to think to co-ordinate the moves to make the car go, an experienced driver just does it. A good phrase is morphic memory, where the body 'remembers' what it has to do.
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A novice has to think what to do, an experienced person does it out of instinct.
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I think thats spot on.
I certainly fall into that category but I am not necessarily very brave ( ie with a real problem horse- I know what to do but would not necessarily want to be the one to carry it out!)
After 35 years of trying to ride decently, most people I know, now say I am a good rider(?!?!!)
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Alternatively a novice thinks that making a horse move is the difficult bit but an experienced rider knows that the skill is in stopping it.
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pmsl...now that is sooo true
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I don't think 'experienced' means 'good'. I'd rather have some 'novices' riding my horse than 'experienced' riders, as I'd assume a novice rider came without thinking they were always right, whereas an experienced rider might force their opinion and dominate the horse. Obviously not all, but you just have to be careful when people say they are novice and experienced, modesty and self belief play a large role.
 
Tricky one, as one yard I was at if you complained you were told "We have had horses for 28 years", I always thought then " so when you going to learn something then", the horsey game has so many disiplines and levels it's difficult to pigeon hole peoples abilities, example-: people with money will probably be brill at hunting or whatever, but be clueless at feeding and stable management, KP can ride and probably
muck out, but is shite at picking livery and lorry colours
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that sounds about right

I would class myself as a novice and my mum experienced. We ride the same horse just as well as each other but I have done very little affiliated comps whereas my mum used to do lots of BSJA/BE so I would say she has more experience
 
My instructor clasifies me as an experienced novice whose a little rusty atm (due to not being able to ride much in the last two years)...

I know what to do and can handle difficult/young horses but I don't always look pretty and more complicated manovers require more thought and co-ordination.

Its always a difficult question though as I would say I am a total numpty rider!
 
I would say that I am very experienced in some things but a total novice in others.
For example I can ride young and green horses well and bring them on in their education but only to a certain level (walk, trot, canter in a nice rhythm, stop when you say go when you say, it's amazing how many horses dont do this!) jumping and do leg yeild, hack but then I need some help.
Total novice a DR do not have a clue have done a couple of prelims and I hope to get more into it as I get older.
I haven't really experienced many health problems (thank god!) but ask me about COPD/RAO - I'm like a text book.
 
well I would say I am rusty experienced, had neds for 6 years when young, and now had my boy for 14 months, BUT I'm a happy hacker and I am not what I call a technical rider, yet I can ride anything safely and well, if that makes sense!! Put me in a school and its really embarassing, yet I can hack tidily all day long


i need lessons deffo
 
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I would say it's along these lines, except if you are talking about riding because there are some people who might be total novices, but 'natural' riders - they just have the feel straight away.

I went to a BE meeting earlier in the year and Yogi Breisner told us his 4 stages of learning:
1. unconscious incompetence (not aware that you are no good
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2. conscious incompetence (Starting to think what you are doing - aware of weaknesses, strengths getting better)
3. conscious competence (still having to think about what you are doing, but pretty much getting there)
4. unconscious competence (no longer have to think about it, it has become like instinct).

I thought that was an interesting way to think about it
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I think I'm between 2 and 3!!
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I'm probably a 3 on Yogi's scale - been to a Kim Ratcliffe lecture where she also went through this.

But have to say, if I was horse hunting, I wouldn't look at anything described as needing an experienced rider. That to me means a pro, or someone relaxed about a horse usually only being on 2 legs.
 
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I don't think that was a Yogi quote! Romsfeld wasn't it? Gets used to death in Business presentations.

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Ah, OK, well Yogi was the first person I'd heard it from and I liked his explanations of how it related to riders
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Fortunately never been in a business presentation!
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Interesting, I have a good seat and cant sit jumpy difficult horses but still get a bit scared if I think they are going to be dangerous and take off.

Booked back in for jumping lessons after 5 years off
 
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