What do you think about the new Club BS level?

I think it sounds like a great idea! I was actually thinking the other day before I heard about this that it would be great if BS did some smaller classes as I have a small pony that has an excellent jump but cos she's small (12.2hh) and young obv can't go into BN. Will def think about doing this with both her and my 4 year old in a year or so!

Though, I agree that they have missed a trick not doing up to 1.10 as I have a friend who doesn't go out often enough to warrant joing full membership bsja but competes at higher than 1m.
 
Sorting out dates t orun this at Keysoe. Just need some clarification on horses & ponies (hope we can run together, as PC, RC and BE pony riders seem to manage OK on horse distance)

£30 to join and a £10 capped entry fee looks very good VFM (it is cheaper than the current unaffiliated we run). No prize money will work with PC / RC as it avoids the "graded winnings" problem of eligibility.

Am sure that plenty of riders will trade up to full membership when they are consistent at 90cms

Tempted to run some regular evening shows in addition, as we are fairly well booked on Sundays
 
The thing that worries me about it is the frequency of the shows.
Also what happens when your jumping 90cm, you may as well do a BN and get winnings?
It IS a bit confusing but it's the sort of thing I would really be interested in IF the local show centres ran regular shows. It is cheaper and good to get started.
Mind you maybe it would be better to go and do the 80cm class and then the BN. I mean BS have intro shows anyway...
I'm confused!!
 
Keysoe - that's great news. I for one will be there.

Do you(or anyone else) know if these new 'club' shows will replace the 'intro' shows as they seems to be covering the same heights? And will only club members be allowed to compete at the club shows, or will they also be open to 'national' members?
 
Astra said:
Keysoe - that's great news. I for one will be there.

Do you(or anyone else) know if these new 'club' shows will replace the 'intro' shows as they seems to be covering the same heights? And will only club members be allowed to compete at the club shows, or will they also be open to 'national' members?
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I checked with our Regional Devt Officer and Intro shows will still run but I'd also be interested in the answer to your second question.
 
measles said:
It's a direct challenge to Trailblazers I think. Time will tell..
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Its certainly not here - we dont have Trailblazers in my area.

IMO, I think the "intro" shows pretty much already fill this? I dont really agree with the "intro" stuff anyway - affiliated IMO should be something to aim towards, it should really be a level you go to AFTER you've done RC/PC. Its just taking all the point out of affiliated, there's no divide anymore and nothing for amateurs to aim towards as such since they can pretty much start at affiliated immediately. That sounds snobbish but IMO people should start at RC / PC then move on once they're at a certain level.
 
From reading the FAQ you can only compete in these classes if the combination of you and the horse has no winnings together. Your Horse can be an international Grade A and you can jump it, but as soon as you win £1 at a proper BS show you can no longer enter.

You have to pay £30 per combination. So if you joined and your friend wanted to ride your horse, or you wnated to ride another horse you would have to pay another £30.

They are running these classes as an introduction to jumping, to get people to join the BS. I wonder if like TB and the Champs of Great Britian they can be part of the show centres current unaffliated classes and you get points if you are a member? Or do they have to be a completly seperate show?

Capping the entry fee to £10 is not going to encourage show centres to run the class if they already charge more for unaffliated. Why would they run these shows and make less money?
 
SpottedCat said:
I'd like to know whether joining as a Club member would make me ineligible to become a full member under the RC package. At the moment I'm putting off joining BS because if I wait until September, I haven't been a member for 3 years so can join using the RC package again, which is a very cheap way of doing full membership. I'd do the Club membership if there were enough classes, and then join as a full member after I'd jumped two Newcomers on my tickets they'd give me, but I wouldn't bother with the Club membership if a) there are no details on where and how often shows are on, and b) if it rendered me ineligible to pick up a full membership at RC rates.

People who are thinking of joining BS to compete in National classes like BN really need to be careful this doesn't mean they can't join using the cheap 'new member' rates I think!!
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I don't think you can join SC, you aren't allowed to have won any money in the past 3 years on GBO, unless you were thinking of jumping SBO.
 
MM, I think that depends on your set up though, having missed the PC thing due to being old when I got my first horse ;). RC comps within club where people want to go over jumps are limited and at local club level course building can be interesting at best, dire/dangerous at worse. Course building at areas is great but that only happens once a year!

So to jump unaffiliated locally you either go to local PC/RC shows run in fields and take a chance on the coursebuilding ;) and the height they might get up to if entries are low once you get above 2'6. Or you go to one of the two local show centres which is fine, though I don't particularly like one of them ;) .. BUT they are then likely full of children! I think thats quite a good point really, I MUCH prefer to be at affiliated Dr/SJ because there are few moaning children and everyone knows the rules of the warm up ;) :) and its nice to compete against adults even if Frank is somewhat vertically challenged, just a much more pleasant experience!

I suppose it is a way of doing 'intro' show so to speak but while giving some benefit for the competing :).
 
As someone who is just getting back into jumping after a seven year sabbatical, I think it's a fabulous idea - I only hope that if it is a direct challenge to Trailblazers, that the centres around here will still run it. I would love to affiliate again, but a) I cannot afford it and b) we have already jumped ourselves almost out of Discovery, so to go back in at Newcomers is a no-go - I'm too chicken to jump 1.10 now! The club series would suit us in so many ways - the heights are perfect, we're not restricted by previous winnings, and it would give us something to aim for.

I would still do Trailblazers as well - no question. I just hope they find a way of letting the two run alongside each other, as I fear many ECs will just opt to run one or the other...
 
From what I understand of it (which is probably very little as I'm sat with H+H reading the article about it in one hand, and a glass of wine in the other ;) ) but I feel only offering classes up to 1m possibly limits it slightly in that I don't think it'd necessary encourage development in that (around me anyway) most places offer these heights unaff, and you can only really do heights like 1.10+ affiliated. I think offering classes up to 1.10m would possibly be better for this "bridge" between unaff and affiliated they are trying to create (slash try and steal unaff competitors ;) ). Also, I know when I BS watching some of the bigger classes running simultaneously really spurs me on to want to work through the heights and I think possibly people would be more likely to stay within their comfort zones rather than urge to push themselves some what as they are still limited to 1m.

However, I do appreciate it is so much nicer jumping BS courses in decent arenas with quality jumps with well measured distances. Its just a bit sad that you need to be affiliated to expect good distances and a generally well built course.

One thing I do really like is that adults can compete on ponies as its a shame that is not already a possibility in "normal" BS.
 
I thought adults can compete on ponies anyway?
I compete my 14.2 (albeit oversized one) as a senior and so do a lot of my friends in my area.

When we registered him we double checked that it was okay to register him as a senior and the lady on the phone said it doesn't matter about the height of the pony as long as it jumps the fences.

Could be totally wrong though.
 
You can jump a pony on BS but it has to be registered as a horse. With this scheme I guess an adult could jump a pony while it is still registered as a pony with BS. So Mother/Daughter share? It could do 2 jobs? Also as a dealer you could get a record on the pony with it still classed as a pony, it wouldn't have to wait a year to re join as a pony.


And that rule is probably more a dig at TB where adults aren't allowed to jump ponies.
 
As a show centre, we like the idea, but really need it combined horses & ponies. We already have a strong unaffiliated following so wouldnt want to upset them, as we currently combine the two successfully.
 
I assumed it would be built on a horse distance as per senior BS, my 14.2 copes fine. Not sure I would do it if it were funny in between distances like unafil
 
We are hoping to run some Club shows at Pachesham this summer if we can fit them into our already packed schedule! The dates will be on our website asap.
 
I think it is completely pointless :( I have no problem with the heights of BS classes presently but there is a BIG problem with lack of shows in our area and it seems to be getting very much worse not better. Maybe if they looked after the members they had rather than give poor service to more members...:confused:
 
I don't think they will work.

I think that BS did a good job bringing out intro shows, which are pretty much the same as the new club classes. they also brought out 6 month membership which is also good so you can try out BS and maybe even win your entry money back/get money winnings on the horse. It just seems like a silly idea - unless they combine them with intro shows, I can't see it taking off that well. For me, I don't ride ponies so the horse/pony rule doesn't affect me.

Up here we have a few venues that run Intro shows, and also unaffiliated - the unaff shows are still built by BS coursebuilders so you do tend to get a decent course (although never full height like BS)

Need to be convinced I'm afraid!
 
I think its not a bad idea to bring people in, the pony rule doesn't affect me as Fleur is registered as a horse. I guess the idea is to get people to jump up to 1m, then join properly & progress, & if you don't want to go higher you can tootle around in smaller classes. I'm not sure how it works with the intro shows though, as I thought thats why they came in, so am a bit confused. We have a few show centres who use BS course builders for unafil, but generally its all a bit scary which is why I affiliated to do the smaller classes & working towards BN/Disco later this year.
 
measles said:
The press release was aimed at non BS members and it would be useful to have a piece addressing some of the questions raised about how the new category fits with existing membership. Unless someone can point me to that?
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Hi
I understand that if you are a BSJA full member then you can also join the club membership for £30 but not with the same horse/rider combination. So it would be good for BS members who have a horse to bring on and can gain some regional points to sell it on with but won't have to pay the horse membership. Equally, an experienced BS horse can be sold to a novice rider who can register as a club member and compete.
In the Leicestershire region Vale View and Markfield have already agreed to runnning BS club shows this summer and other venues are in the pipeline too.
 
measles said:
The press release was aimed at non BS members and it would be useful to have a piece addressing some of the questions raised about how the new category fits with existing membership. Unless someone can point me to that?
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Astra said:
Keysoe - that's great news. I for one will be there.

Do you(or anyone else) know if these new 'club' shows will replace the 'intro' shows as they seems to be covering the same heights? And will only club members be allowed to compete at the club shows, or will they also be open to 'national' members?
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Hi, Club shows wont replace intro shows, they are aimed at bridging the gap in an afordable way, for unaff riders to take the step to full membership. Full BS members can compete at club shows if they are registered as club members as well (i.e. paid a seperate £30 on top of their full membership fee), however they will not be able to compete a rider/horse combination that also compete BSJA together.
hope that helps!
 
I was told by my regional rep that I could only compete HC at Club Shows if i am a Full member....at which point the whole concept was lost on me. Also, there are going to be so few shows running in this category as to make it pointless anyway.

What they should have done is let unregistered horses and riders compete at Intro Shows and if you want to compete second rounds then make them register as normal. Less gagging around, more shows, prizemoney and better quality of new members.
 
Rambo said:
I was told by my regional rep that I could only compete HC at Club Shows if i am a Full member....at which point the whole concept was lost on me.

only if you want to compete the same horse that you also compete BS. If its another horse then you can compete the same as everyone else and gain regional points.
Thanks :O)
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