What do you think of this horse? I'm not buying, BTW

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This is the Crotch Stomper. If you recall he bucked me off and then trod on me in a sensitive area
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We get on a lot better now
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I do the flatwork and then the YO jumps him. He's 5 years old, pretty green as he had an accident when he was very little which left him a bit uncoordinated (it's still uncertain what might've happened to him). He feels quite unusual to canter, but not unpleasant and his legs are still a bit all over the place when he jumps.
I think he's rather nice, but I'd like your opinions as to how 'normal' he looks. Thanks
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Oh and yes, YO is NOT wearing a hat, and yes he IS an idiot
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I'm not really called Crotch Stomper
 
There's something about him that I personally do not like. I'm not hugely experienced, but I don't think he makes a nice shape over a fence or even looks as if he likes what he's doing .

He kind of picks up in front and then collapses behind when he lands. I would guess there's something wrong - don't know what, but he's not right behind.
 
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He looks different - sort of bounds instead of the 1-2-3 rhythm, but I had to look at the video 3x to figure out what was different
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So he's not too odd!

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I think that's a pretty accurate description of his canter, actually
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He does 'bound'.
 
he's boingy, and I think he looks like he is enjoying himself he really stamps down and takes off together behind (can't remember they actually) but he is perhaps a bit straight behind in the jump.

just looks a bit babyish to me and has to steady up and engage brain!
 
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There's something about him that I personally do not like. I'm not hugely experienced, but I don't think he makes a nice shape over a fence or even looks as if he likes what he's doing .

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Well, he is very new to jumping and his technique is a bit odd
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He kind of picks up in front and then collapses behind when he lands. I would guess there's something wrong - don't know what, but he's not right behind.

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I think the problem is indeed in his back end. Notice that he doesn't carry his tail like most horses; he just lets it lie flat.
 
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he's boingy, and I think he looks like he is enjoying himself he really stamps down and takes off together behind (can't remember they actually) but he is perhaps a bit straight behind in the jump.

just looks a bit babyish to me and has to steady up and engage brain!

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Definitely babyish. He does kick his heels RIGHT out, which YO likes even though he's often propelled towards his ears!
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Sometimes his front end and back end appear to be at odds with each other.
 
PF- i thought that about his tail, but then at one of the jumps he really carries it high on the approach. Although maybe that could be another sign there's something amis? Has he had back checks etc?

There is a 1-2-3 rhythm there that i can see, but he seems to go disunited the first few steps after a jump. Although i don't often examine jumping videos this many times and so closely so maybe that's normal for after a jump? I don't know.

I'm going to keep watching, as there does seem to be something different about his movement and i can't put my finger on it.
 
I think he was pooing!
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I'm not sure if he's had back checks. Assume he would've done at the time of his accident. Apparently he used to be REALLY uncoordinated, and is much better now. He's never gone disunited with me on board, and in fact works really nicely, but I think his canter is more a 4-beat than 3-beat canter... it's quite hard to describe, apart from the 'bounding' sort of feel to it.
 
He keeps his hind legs very straight when jumping even over a larger fence. He only seems to flex them on the 2nd part of the dbl where he has to think and move quickly to clear the fences. May well just be his inexperieince jumping and gridwork may improve it. Tha said I know quite a few of the showjumpers over hereprefer a young horse to be supple behind and not pull their hindlegs overly tight beneath them when jumping - instead giving more height behind. He certainly seems to be doing that - watch how his hindquarters move on the descent (sp) of the fence.
I have known a few horses to do similar to this guy inc not moving the tail much and most have grown out of it with experience. As for the bouding thing, my first pony (a 14.2hh) used to do that on his last stride before every fence - always figured it was a bit odd and not ideal, but in every photo i had of him he is jumping v squarely with no legs hanging and in the 54 yrs i owned him he only ever knocked 2 jumps - and never in competition (he competed affiliated at 90cm and 1.05cm but didnt have he the guts for larger classes - i think he was afraid to hit fences thus refused if i didnt get striding perfect..
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Could he have suffered some kind of nerve damage to his back end? Hence the flat tail?
We had one a bit like that many moons ago. Vet reckoned that he had suffered nerve damage as a foal, maybe mare rolled on him? anyway...the outcome was that technically he was sound but years of adapting a walk, trot canter after the accident meant that it was ingrained habit and nowt you could do.
He is nice looking horse-quirky-I likes!!!
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A little unco-ordinated.......
Irregular canter.............
Not carrying tail............
Collapses on landing..........
oxer exuberant hind leg action, throwing them straight out, not bending them.........
Had an accident when younger..................

I'm sorry but all of this screams WOBBLER to me. It might be called something else in Argentina, but I wwould be getting neck x rays to rule this out, pronto
 
He looks quite fun! I agree he is a bit odd behind, but possibly this is purely a baby thing although his hind leg is a little strange over a fence.

Thing is though, he may not be your most obvious SJ'er but he looks like he has a nice attitude, he looks like a trier which IMO is way more important than conformation/style etc.
 
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I think the problem is indeed in his back end. Notice that he doesn't carry his tail like most horses; he just lets it lie flat.

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That's what I was going to say, he clamps his tail down as he lands... otherwise he just looks a bit babyish
 
It looks like there is something wrong with his, back/back end, has an interesting jumping style, it just looks a bit odd to me but I'm not hugely experienced.
 
I think it can be hard to tell from a video without being there in real life, those videos and never give a true picture really but it does look like he uses his back legs and seems to hop along like a bunny rabbit a bit, you never know with few checks and more time, he could be a very good show jumper, if the horse is sound and it works...then so be it.
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Not sure which horse is it that Ellen Whitaker rides, or did ride, a big grey that had very stange back end movement, never stopped it from jumping though.
 
Don't like him at all, sorry PF. Looks like he has an issue behind. And if he doesn't, his jumping technique is poor, and he has a rotten canter. NEXT!!!
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Well, YO says he's definitely improved since he was backed, but obviously (as evidenced on vid) he's still uncoordinated and I do get the impression that he has to remind himself to move legs, if you see what I mean. And often the front end seems to be doing something independent to the back end. YO rather likes that he stretches his hind legs out like that and had high hopes for this one. Fermin is one of 'triplets'; 3 foals born in the same year by ET to the same mare and stallion. The other 2 (mares) are fine and move and jump quite differently. MUCH more conventional
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Could he have suffered some kind of nerve damage to his back end? Hence the flat tail?

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Yes, I would imagine so. He's quite hard to 'manoeuvre' in a tight space as well. Much better going forwards.

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He is nice looking horse-quirky-I likes!!!
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He's rather sweet as well (now he's stopped bucking me off!)
 
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A little unco-ordinated.......
Irregular canter.............
Not carrying tail............
Collapses on landing..........
oxer exuberant hind leg action, throwing them straight out, not bending them.........
Had an accident when younger..................

I'm sorry but all of this screams WOBBLER to me. It might be called something else in Argentina, but I wwould be getting neck x rays to rule this out, pronto

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Can wobblers be caused by a fall or some other type of accident? I have no idea what it would be called out here, but it's certainly possible. can wobblers improve their coordination with training/exercise as this one has done?
 
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He looks quite fun! I agree he is a bit odd behind, but possibly this is purely a baby thing although his hind leg is a little strange over a fence.

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Well, he's certainly nice to ride on the flat
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Agree his hind leg is veeeery strange.

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Thing is though, he may not be your most obvious SJ'er but he looks like he has a nice attitude, he looks like a trier which IMO is way more important than conformation/style etc.

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A few people have been to see him, and whilst they all like him, they're all a bit baffled by his action
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Don't like him at all, sorry PF. Looks like he has an issue behind. And if he doesn't, his jumping technique is poor, and he has a rotten canter. NEXT!!!
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Oh, it's OK, you're not obliged to like him
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And you did like the future MrPF, which is much more important
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He's definitely not your typical SJer, is he?
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I think it can be hard to tell from a video without being there in real life, those videos and never give a true picture really but it does look like he uses his back legs and seems to hop along like a bunny rabbit a bit,

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Yep, he definitely does that sometimes

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you never know with few checks and more time, he could be a very good show jumper, if the horse is sound and it works...then so be it.
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Not sure which horse is it that Ellen Whitaker rides, or did ride, a big grey that had very stange back end movement, never stopped it from jumping though.

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YO has very high hopes for him and isn't put off at all by his action or jump.
 
Well I like him!!
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cant see what the problem is with him really, am I being blind?! Yes , he has a long canter, but its time people realised that not every horse has a naturally perfectly balanced canter
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Woodys canter is the same, I'd be horrified if he was slated like this
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He looks scopey, bold and keen and is just a typical baby horse jumping.

Holding the tail so low does not bother me; and yes he is a little odd when he has just landed from a fence but hey, he's a big gangly youngster, he is allowed to be a little un-cordinated in this respect.

I think YO should keep on training him as he is doing and with time he'll be jumping big tracks comfortably. Co-ordination and balance will definately improve with age. Honestly, every so often you do get a young horse that is unbalanced like this.

Re; this nerve damage thing- there is just no point in digging holes- as long as the horse is happy, comfty and enjoying his job and clearly improving then crack on! as soon as he is not enjoying it and not improving then you would start to be worried...
 
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