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We're currently researching various things to do with a stroppy mare who is very stressed bordering on dangerous.
On a website I came across this and wondered what people make of it? I would be interested to see if it has any basis?
'90% of lameness in horses is directly or indirectly the result of metal horseshoes, and 90% of horses which are destroyed before the age of 12 die due to lameness.'
 
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We're currently researching various things to do with a stroppy mare who is very stressed bordering on dangerous.
On a website I came across this and wondered what people make of it? I would be interested to see if it has any basis?
'90% of lameness in horses is directly or indirectly the result of metal horseshoes, and 90% of horses which are destroyed before the age of 12 die due to lameness.'

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BULLOCKS!
References? Evidence? 24% of camels enjoy skateboarding (Paintbox, 2008).
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Interesting but don't have a clue. Interesting in that all our horses are unshod - have been for 26 years.
I have never had any problems whatsoever with lameness. They never go lame. I just thought we were lucky.
 
How? Why? What evidence? Is it a case that 90% of horse put to sleep before the age of 12 were shod?
90% of people who drown in summer have eaten ice cream in the previous 24 hours therefore Ice cream causes people to drown.
 
I guess their reasoning is '90% of lame horses wear shoes, and as they all have shoes in common, shoes cause 100% of lameness in 90% of lame horses', or other such tripe.

I can't believe I just tried to reason such rubbish
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I would love them to explain how shoes caused my boy to break his leg (actually, I would like any explanation of how he did it).
 
Well I suppose that in my mares case the fact that the new mare had shoes on caused her to go lame, does that count? (stupid 15:3 araby type appy decided that she was bigger/better than new 16:3 Irish Draft, I suppose you can only be impressed at her ego strength:) )




PS How did they get the rat to stay still while they measured?
 
Dangerously inaccurate use of statistics without understanding casue, effect and circumstances!
Probably deliberate to try and prove a point.
 
Statistics are wonderful things! For example 90% of children's accidents happpen at home - but don't you think thats becuase small children spend most of their life at home?

I suspect that 90% of horses are shod as well, so nearly all deaths can tick that box!

I have had three horses die, one from poisoning, one from colic and one PTS for old age - absolutely nothing to do with their shoes! But they were all shod!
 
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We're currently researching various things to do with a stroppy mare who is very stressed bordering on dangerous.
On a website I came across this and wondered what people make of it? I would be interested to see if it has any basis?
'90% of lameness in horses is directly or indirectly the result of metal horseshoes, and 90% of horses which are destroyed before the age of 12 die due to lameness.'

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BULLOCKS!
References? Evidence? 24% of camels enjoy skateboarding (Paintbox, 2008).
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one of my better quotes !!!!
 
Sorry don't believe a word of it..
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I've had some very stroppy mares retire here and seen them change into chilled out individuals.
I think most is caused by their living arrangements, if you stick them out 24/7 with a group of other calm horses it works wonders.
Of course you have to eliminate hormonal problems, teeth/back pain etc first.
The worst mare we ever had was eventually really calm unless she needed vet treatment. She then turned into a dangerous individual who tried to attack from fear. In the end we had her pts because it was impossible to predict how she would behave if she ever got caught in a fence or cast, she would have been impossible to help, even the vet had to sedate her over a door, she used teeth, her front and back legs and was far more scarey than any stallion when she attacked you.
The other solution to your mare is to take her on a trail ride for a week.
That may sound silly but by the time she has done 20 plus miles a day they settle down completely, as they eventually twig they need to conserve their energy for the work they're doing!
Two of ours who normally bounce along or jog turned into nice sensible hacks after doing the Mary Townley Loop for five days.. It has lasted too, they are definitely more chilled these days!
 
HH- the problem is atm we're just not experienced enough! Am hoping when I get home and there's two of us (currently 17yr old sister struggling alone) it may improve, she has had back issues, sees physio regularly and given go ahead to ride, I reckon not enough work/having got away with it/previous pain is all adding up, was looking into holistic methods (dont believe in them but worth a shot if they looked useful..)
I like our trail ride idea, hadn't thought of it and our rides are only roads, an hour boxing to anywhere, but a very very plausible idea, and might just be something could work with her. Haven't tried it yet.
24/7 she has, been bunged out ever since the fire, sister thinks she has been much worse since the fire, I'm not sure, she was the one right beside it but still..
Problem is atm we have rearing, spinning, bucking, spooking, and will sister is not a novice, a few falls last summer have just made it worse and with no one at home for moral support/physical help has been slightly demoralised and the mare knows fine rightly how to take the pee!
That's sad about the mare PTS, can understand it though
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We had a thoroughbredxWelshD who became dangerous and was days away from being PTS We then made a last ditch attempt to find the cause and stopped all sugar (except for what was in the grass and apples!) She went into a three day withdrawel phase (much worse and agorophobic) then improved immeasurably. We then also cut out all grain, if she needed extra feed then she had unmolassed alfalfa. The current Appy cannot tolerate alfalfa and looses control of herself when hacking (normal spookiness becomes dangerous spinning bouncing on roads regardless of traffic, she appears out of her own control) It may be worth eliminating ALL feed except grass and hay for a while.
 
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:o I need to change the reply title!! Naughty Naughty Shils!

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On a serious note, could you turn the mare away...onto just grass and hay, with calm company for a couple of months.
Then gradually 'rebreak her' with lots of praise for each good thing she does (no matter how minor) to rebuild confidence?
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alfalfa, that is interesting, we do feed that, will pass that on, she is currently on a handful of senior mix and out 24/7
 
I think that may be what is needed now, but possibly with a different person, she has had a month _ off at various times but think it might be a case of back to the basics now, I need to see when I get home what shes actually doing and then we need to get an experienced person out to advise I think,
 
It is very odd as that is all the TBx could eat, took a lot of thinking about to work it out for the current Appy, with life getting more and more 'interesting' by the day!
 
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