What do you think this could be?

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Hello clever people of HHO
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I work on a private livery yard with only 8 horses, about 4 of them are owned by the actualy livery yard owners and the rest are privately owned, the owners don't come a lot as they are mainly uni students and their horses are cared for by staff at the yard.

On site is also a boarding kennels for dogs and everything is really structured so that both businesses (kennels and yard) are run well without any flaws etc. (This is relevant)


One of the horses there has recently, well over the past few months, been behaving weirdly. This happened after he went hunting (not the first time he'd been) and the first thoughts were just excitement etc from going out as he doesn't go out a lot, but when he continued to act weirdly (when I say weird, I mean quite different to normal) they worried there was something wrong with his health. They thought stomach ulcers.

They got him checked out, and had some unpleasant tests etc done on him, he has had bloods taken, many examinations- inside and out, and vets found nothing at all obviously wrong with his health.



Now they have no idea what it could be.
Next thought was 'old age'. But he is 17 and I don't class that as overly old, do you?
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he is well cared for and isn't aged or anything like that, so that idea is pretty much out the window.

Now, my boss/owner of yard thinks it could be something to do with his rountine being broken somewhere.

As I mentioned above, everything there is really structured, I mean the same thing happens every day at practically the same time.
Horses are fed at 7.50am, then dogs are sorted from 8am-10am, then horses are done 10am-12 midday.
Horses have their rugs sorted out, then they are turned out, mucked out, stay in the field until about 3.30pm/4pm then come in have rugs sorted again, are brushed, then skipped out, then fed.
They always go in the same fields with the same horses (most are separated)



This horse in particular has been at the yard for 6years, and the same thing happens every single day. The same people care for him (yard owners, me and two other workers) and he knows us all and he is (as are all the horses there) completely used to the routine.

This is why they think he is acting strange.

He has recently started to bite at his front rug straps when he has it on, and randomly going to bite himself, he has also been seen just staring into space (yard owner describes it as what someone who has 'lost it' may look like).

He is eating normally etc but has lost a lot of weight.



He has also started to get 'paranoid' for example, if you are late turning him out, he gets edgy.
If you are late bringing him in from the field, he stands at the gate and just waits and watches for someone to come and get him in.
If you're late to feed him his dinner, he just looks out his stable waiting for his food.

Hence why they think it's something to do with his routine.






Is it possible for him to stress about his daily routine?
Enough to make him act out of character and lose weight?

I know he isn't my horse or anything, but it's interested me, and I know this has worried a few people at the yard and his owner, they just want to know whats up.

Sorry that turned out so long, I wasn't expecting it to.

If you don't think its his routine/stress etc, what else could they check for?
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Thank you clever HHOers
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Thats a strange thing. Has he been split up from a particular friend, maybe a change in the weather, not been ridden for a while and missing his owner, hormonal in a male way, need worming. Randomly picking at my brain here. New dog arrived that hes worried about and stressing him? Hope you get to the bottom of it.
 
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do horses get dementia?

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I thought it sounded like this. I'm pretty sure I've heard of horses showing dementia like symptoms.
 
glitterfuzz, I haven't a clue
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maybe?

He hasn't been separated, he always goes in the same field, with the same little mare (he is a gelding) and they get on well. His owner comes more than most of the other horses and usually just hacks him, which he loves and enjoys.
And the dogs are not kept in eye view of the horses, specially him as his field is quite a bit away from the actual kennels.
Thank you izzwizz, but I'm sure you can see, they have thought of everything they could have.

clairefeekerry1, his ridden behaviour is exactly the same, sorry should have metioned that. He still enjoys being ridden and doesn't protest at all to the tack in the same way he does to rugs!
 
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Certainly sounds like either dementia?? if possible or brain tumour...... that can alter behaviour dramatically
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They also thought maybe brain tumour, hopefully it isn't that
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As he is 17, and they see that as old, they have said they would rather not know, if that makes sense? Just continue doing what he enjoys and make his life comfortable as possible, at 17 there really is not a lot that can be done..




Also, forgot to mention- he is on 2 weeks of bute under vets supervision I believe, to see if that makes a difference and so far (a week ish in) apparently he has only been acting more strangle!!
 
Sound really silly but his mare friend isn't in season or anything is she? Just thinking he could be seeing her in a whole new light!

Hope you work it out, maybe keep a diary of his behaviour and routine, see if you can spot any patterns or triggers?
 
Hi Em_Bob4,

Firstly, big hugs to you for caring so much about him x

I've wracked my brains to try + help, for about 2 hours now!

It happened after hunting - how fit was he? I'm thinking maybe he had a little bleed into his brain, cos he worked very hard, as they often get nosebleeds when pushed too much. How aware was his owner of his level of fitness? How well does the owner ride? All questions vet probably hasn't asked, but bute prescribed? Gods' sake. What the f*** will bute do? (Apologies for language!)

I'm aware that he's not your horse, but if he were mine, i'd get a 2nd opinion - maybe you could persuade owner to do it? Scans on his head would help diagnose, + if he's deteriorating, then may i stress urgency, before he's lost. If it is a bleed in his skull area, he needs surgery ASAP.

Bless him, and bless you for caring x. Give his owner, and yard owner a big kick up the ass from me! Love to you + horse, BS x
 
Firstly, thank you everyone for replying
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It really isn't much to do with me, but I know everyone on the yard would like to know what is up with him and I know that the world of the horse and hound forums always have some intelligent thoughts, so thanks very much !
I will try to reply to everyone in this post
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Walrus - I'm not sure that could be it, he's been there 6 years and I'm sure she has been there a similar amount of time and it's never been a problem before as far as I'm aware, and when they are in the field they rarely actually stand near or pay each other attention - but neither of them will go out with another horse.
Also, as it is the yard owner who thinks it could be something to do with routine, she has tried doing things in a different order to what he is used to, in order to see if that makes a difference and it has a little bit, for example, when the other horses were fed, his feed was left for about 5-10mins before given to him. He just stood at his stable door and stared until his food came.
Thank you for your reply
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Thank you Box_of_Frogs, I will go and look !



somethingorother - he has also been randomly going to bite himself, for example his stomach, which made them think colic, but he has shown no other signs like kicking his stomach or laying down ect. Also, it's not like an itch kind of bite, it is one quick hard bite to his stomach, which he has apparently never done before.
When I first started working there, I was shocked to see the horses had rugs on when I thought it was quite warm, but as far as I can tell (putting my hand under the rug to see how warm they are) they aren't over heating etc.
Thank you for your thoughts
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Brandysnap - thank you very much
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I wouldn't say he is fit, nor unfit. When he was taken hunting I presume they upped his work first to increase his fitness so he could handle it (I think YO rode him hunting and she is very experienced and hunted a lot, so wouldn't take him unless she thought he was fit enough) so not sure about that
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he apparently gets very excited hunting (as most do!) and won't stand still at all hence why they thought nothing of it at first, thinking it was just excitement.
They are worried about surgery etc as they think at 17 he won't pull through and it would just cause more stress to him.
They really do have his best interests at heart and they care for him extremely well, maybe I made them come accross wrong, they have done everything they can immediately think off, now they are looking at problems that wouldn't show up with examinations etc, hence me asking if it is possible for a horse to get stressed about its routine.
Thank you so much Brandysnap for thinking for so long and giving your ideas
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Thank you everyone
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that is really odd :S
is it always his belly and rugs that he bites at ?
maybe he has some kind of digestive discomfort?
cant think of anything else sorry
 
Hi again Embob_4,

Sending good vibes + hugs, + let's hope he's ok x. Appreciate even more now how difficult it is for everyone to work out what's wrong, thanks for extra info x.Hoping very much that one of us, or one of vets will have bright idea soon (have you tried ringing Leahurst (Liverpool Uni)? Aware that he's not your horse, but someone there may have an idea?)

Again, i think it's so lovely of you to care about him so much, really, really hoping your care is rewarded in the best way, + he turns out ok.

Love BS x

PS: Bob is gorgeous! And you ride him very well. I think maybe we all who work in the 'industry' have our own special horses, who we've never owned, but loved to bits, + hold a place in our heart for ever. Looks like Bob is yours! Enjoy! BS x
 
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