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have been thinking of getting another horse for a while to hack out with izzy so what do you think to this:

16.1hh
15 years old
has done x country schooling, ridden in a snaffle and has never taken off with anyone, is just hacking out at the moment the woman is selling her because she hasn't got enough time for her, shes had a bad past so will guard her food in the stable but ok in the field. vaccinations/teeth/feet etc upto date, but does windsuck

how much would you pay for her (she comes with all her rugs)

hear are some pictures

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oh and another question would you buy a horse that windsucks and what are the problems with horses that windsuck (i have know quite a few horses that windsuck but have never wondered the effects of the behaviour)
 
Like the look of the mare!
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But I will just say I dont think I would never buy a horse that windsucks, esp. if I had another horse on the yard - its a very catching habit! And if let do it, it can often lead to colic. It is down to personal preference though, and I cant honestly say that I would have been put off buying Ellie is she was a windsucker! If perfect in every other way, then the choice is yours.
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Due to her age, windsucking and past issues she really isn't worth a lot of money.
However if she is what you are looking for then no harm in looking.
Manke sure you have a vet check he over and I would look to pay in the region of £500
 
I wouldnt pay more than 1k for her top whack... due to age and windsucking! But if she ticks all your boxes and you dont mind the windsucking (would drive me mad!!) then go for it!!
 
She looks a nice type, but is getting on in her years so perhaps £2,500 - £3,000 ??

Unfortunately (or fortunately, whichever way you look at it!!) i have no experience of windsuckers, mine live out as much as possible so roam about etc. Does she windsuck in the field or is she just funny in her stable?

Some people say windsucking is "catching", others don't but can't help there, sorry.
 
well i know that windsucking can be copied by other horses but im not too fussed about that as the horse in the field on the back of mine windsucks and izzy hasn't done it yet (touchs wood VERY quickly!!!) plus i use electric fencing anyway so she wouldn't be able to windsuck on the fencing. I was wondering would the cribbing collors work in the stable or wouldn't you leave them on in the stable? plus is there any impact on the horses health with windsucking
 
I own 9 horses and have an ex-racer that windsucks. He is stabled with a 3 year old on one side & a 2 year old on the other and has been next to these youngsters for 2 years. They have not started windsucking.

Horses do NOT copy vices from others, they are not learned behaviours and there are numerous science papers to back this up. Horses in the same yard exhibiting the same stereotypies (or vices) do so because they are being subjected to the same regime eg not enough hay causing boredom (which is often a good one for causing windsucking - racehorses often have reduced hay ration with a higher hard feed diet so they don't have as much hay to pick at as other horses). Weaving & box walking are both locomotoary vices which are usually shown when horses get restricted turn out or stress - horses in the same yard with restricted turn out are all more likely to develop weaving or box walking. There is no scientific evidence at all that horses will learn a vice from another horse. I would not dismiss this horse because she windsucks. With my ex racer, I make sure he has adlib hay so he doesn't get bored. He has never worn a collar & having been in my care for 2 years, he now only windsucks when he is excited about going out int he field in the morning. Stable toys help too.

With regards to price, at 15 I wouldn't be prepared to pay much as you don't know how long the horse will go on for. If tack & rugs are included I would assess the value of them & then add on no more than 1000 for the horse. I got given my ex-racer as a 7 year old and he does similar work to what you will be expecting the mare to do with you.
 
she is asking £500 including all her rugs and she responded to my wanted ad plus shes not in a hurry to sell quickly.

i have a gut feeling about this mare but its 3/4 hour drive
 
For 500 pounds, id go look tbh.

15 isnt ancient, with good care, horses can be working well into their 20s and often beyond. I would, however, want her checking out. Although a decent vetting will add quite a bit to her purchase price, at least then you're aware of any underlying issues.

Windsucking - meh, i dont like windsuckers because the noise drives me mental so personally i wouldnt be tempted. However if it doesnt bother you, i wouldnt let it put you off too much. Do be aware however, that some livery yards dont like horses with vices on them. I dont know what your situation is, but it is worth keeping that in mind.
 
panda2007 - that was interesting reading i was always told the behaviour was copied

she started windsucking when she was young as she had a very hard time when she was weaned at 6months old she was put in a stable with a yearling and not given any food (the woman traced her history) hense the guarding food in the stable, im not too worrid about the windsucking it was my mum who was weary due to not knowing what implications it would have thanks for the information!
 
Panda2007 is right about the vices, and I would say £500 incl rugs is for nothing, go see her. I've got plenty of older horses who are still full of life - it's more about the mileage on the clock than the age in years imo.
 
looks like a nice horse, and very reasonable money. i would go and try and see if you could maybe have her on a couple of weeks' trial - that's what i do when i sell one, to make sure it suits the new owner, etc.
i wouldn't be put off by the windsucking, personally. there are lots of ways to manage it nowadays, and as people have said, adlib hay is one of the best.
 
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Like the look of the mare!
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But I will just say I dont think I would never buy a horse that windsucks, esp. if I had another horse on the yard - its a very catching habit! And if let do it, it can often lead to colic. It is down to personal preference though, and I cant honestly say that I would have been put off buying Ellie is she was a windsucker! If perfect in every other way, then the choice is yours.
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What utter nonsense!!
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A horse can't "catch" windsucking it's not a cold you know!!! It really does bug me when people post things as fact when they really do not know what they are talking about!
 
What do you plan to do with her (sorry if youve said on previous posts)...? I wouldnt be put off a horse that windsucks, however many people would so if you plan to sell her on at all it could be hard (also with her age etc)...

What is your gut instinct...? good or bad???
 
just hacking and maybe a bit of schooling here and there just have fun with her really my gut instinct is good i don't think i would sell her on as when horses get older its hard to find genuine homes (personal opinion)

i think my mums more sceptical(sp) as i used to work with racehorses and she thinks tb = racehorse and is not too keen as if i was ill she would have to go up to sort her out. (the racehorses i worked with were ...difficult)

i have aranged to see a 14hh pony tomorrow as its the same height as the one i have now and is only down the road so nothing to loose in going to have a look BUT i still think i am going to have a look at this mare just so that im not asking myself "what if?"
 
Be aware that the mechanical means of preventing vices eg windsucking are now discredited by some as the vice is the means the horse uses to cope with a stress factor and just preventing the means of relieving the stress simply means the horse remains stressed or shifts it to another unwanted behaviour.

We have a windsucking crib biter at our yard and one that weaves and none of the other horses over 8 years have ever started to copy them. One of them was an ex trotting racer Standardbred and one of them was a flat racer TB.

So from evidence, I would agree its not learned.
 
Oh perfect then def go see her... if shes wrong, shes wrong but there is no harm in just going to see her! tbh you could sell her tack, rugs etc and her to the meat man for about that so you cant lose out on too much money... (im joking)
 
I wouldn't say wind sucking is a catching habit! My friend owned a livery yard and had a stallion that has always done it and he had 4 other horses stabled next to him and after 5 years still being stabled next to him they never done it! and 1 was next to him that was only a foal and by the time he was 5/6 he still didn't do it!! If she's a bomb proof horse I would say £1200-£1500. Windsucking wouldn't put me off what so ever.
 
I think she looks really lovely in the pic. Don't let the wind-sucking put you off. I would expect to pay anything up to £1,000 for a 15 yr old mare like this, esp. if it includes rugs etc.

DO go and have a look. If you don't you'll always be wondering 'what if .....'!

DON'T FORGET TO LET US KNOW!!!
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If she ticks all your boxes, then go for it up to around £1,500 i should think, i have owned a windsucker in the past and it was of no detriment to her health or condition what so ever, they just wreck post and rails sometimes! Regarding the copiying behaviour, i would actually have to disagree with some people as i do believe it can be learned from another horse, but i dont think older horses will pick it up. A friend of mine bred 3 foals from the same mare, the mare didnt windsuck and the foals all had different fathers. The first foal born very slightly windsucked. Foal no 2 was born copied foal no 1, windsucked very badly. Foal 3 was born, friend was advised to keep foal away from others, which it was for a while, then they were all put in together.... picked up vice within weeks... All these foals lived out, with ad lib forage and grass and all were weaned late, foal 3 was not weaned untill she was 3! So my only advice would be never leave windsuckers with influential youngsters around, i would have never believed it unless i had seen it myself..
 
I personally think its trash that windsucking is "catching". I read that this may ONLY be the case IF the other horse is generally very unhappy anyway. I had a cribber (gulped air on something) and none of mine showed any signs of copying, including a very influential 3yo. However, I would not buy another with similar vice (ie. windsucking). I know of a friends horse who windsucked, he kept getting colic. It eventually finished him off sadly. Not all get colic though, I think it can make them more prone to it though. Does it still windsuck if kept out 24/7?

I wouldnt pay more than £500 for her due to age etc.
 
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