What does this mean please ?

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I noticed an advert for a cob filly foal (6 months) and weaned.

Advertised as well handled, ties up and swung. What does swung mean ? I have no doubt its unpleasant bearing in mind where this advert was placed, and I have half an idea what it might mean but can anyone enlighten me.
 
Yep, usually means they've been tied up to something securely so it def won't snap then frightened into trying to get away, so they learn they can't.

Some horses come out of it ok and get over there trauma (and to be fair tie brilliantly :o ) others fall to bits and have serious issues about tying up. They can also damage their neck badly. :(
 
They arent strong enough to cause "damage".
Its not agressive or stressful. It is just tying them up properly and letting them learn that that pulling back or fighting it isnt going to work.

Its not something Im gonna argue about, if you dont like it dont do it.

He was a fantastic horseman and had well mannered stock, willing to please, no vices, no hangups and no bother. Never had a horse with back problems or a tight poll, or knackered legs or all other manner of issues on here every day of the week.
 
Tying them up and letting them pull until they work it out it not being 'swung'.

Being swung is when the horse is deliberately frightened so it panics and tries to pull away. Idea being that a) it learns not to pull as it doesn't work and b) it just needs to put up with whatever's being done to it. :(

Being tied and left to pull works for most horses, until you meet a panic-er who will kill themselves trying to get away.
 
Imo it means 'cba to teach it to tie properly'. Personally I prefer a horse to actively choose to do something (or not) rather than teach it it has to do something because it has no choice. In simple terms for them to willingly do my bidding, rather than being forced to through lack of choice.
 
Hmm my horse was 'swung' by his breeder. Not in the sense that they are frightened on purpose but he ties them up to a solid pole and they learn that pulling away doesn't work.

He also breeds shires, from a very young age they are expected to tie up quietly when at shows ect. a tonne of escaped shire horse youngstock is a definite no no so 'swinging' them teaches them quickly and efficiently that pulling back does not and will not work. done responsibly it will stop any accidents happening in later life from horses pulling back and escaping.

Buddy stands tied up to anything, he does not fidgit or shuffle, he will stand all day if he was so told to.

But he was done properly and with kindness, like anything in horses there is the one way and another way...
 
I tied up my baby pony at about 2 months and left her to it to work out that being tied up was a permenant thing that she would do in life. She threw herself on the floor once realised that it didnt work and has never b*ggered about since.

Not sure the scary the hell out of them is right way in my view. Tbh though the amount of stupid things ive done in front of her, tripped, danced, star jumps etc she just looks at me like im an idiot :D
 
Mine too amymay. One will ground tie too in almost any situation, showgrounds, comps etc, & the majority of others I've taught will do so at home.
 
I tie all of my horses to fixed rings, always. I don't scare the bejaysus out of them, but if they do pull back I tap them forwards to show them how to deal with the pressure (by going forwards, not pulling back). Tieing to breakable twine, as is standard practice in this part of the world, teaches horses that they can break away if they pull hard enough. My horses must stand tied, if I have one that will not, it is sold. I have never had one that didn't learn, 'tho.
 
Where I worked in South Africa they "rope train" all the horses coming into their posession. It didn't seem to do any of them any harm (they all were ridden on fast safari for 8 hours a day without issue).
If they escaped and ran off in 22,500 hectares of land they would genuinely be eaten by lions, so it was quite important they didn't learn to break the string they were tied to.

I saw one (soon after I got there) with is back foot stuck in his martingale (an itch gone wrong!) and I paniced the experienced staff calmed walked over and he calmly waited while they untangled him

On another occassion when we were sleeping out in the bush late one night the lions came to investiage (horses tied to trees) they clearly weren't happy about the company but non even thought about pulling away (and if they'd have done it they wouldn't have done it twice!!!!)

As in everything horses for courses - if you can train them to stand properly without every tying to something solid great, if you have one that learns they can wonder off at will it's a nightmare.
 
amymay said:
So have all my horses. None of which have been swung....
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What do you count as 'swung' though?

Scary them and causing them to fight only not to be able to escape...

Or have really you taught them in a different way but to the same aims, if you pull back you do not get released?

Btw I would never have the confidence to tie a horse and let it pull till it learns it doesn't work.

I had an adult horse who was a bu**er to tie, I went down the lunge line through the ring route, he did learn eventually... if he had been 'swung' at that point in his life he would of fought till his neck broke which is the real danger if you come across one who will not give up.
Buds is quite compliant, from I have been told he pulled twice then gave up :o
 
Polos Mum said:
If they escaped and ran off in 22,500 hectares of land they would genuinely be eaten by lions, so it was quite important they didn't learn to break the string they were tied to.
hehe made me chuckle, good way of putting it

I saw one (soon after I got there) with is back foot stuck in his martingale (an itch gone wrong!) and I paniced the experienced staff calmed walked over and he calmly waited while they untangled him
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Yup another thing mine does, he got his rug stuck on the door the other day, as soon as he felt pressure he stopped and I got in untangled without having to have a torn rug!!

Another time he managed to hook his head collar up as he scratched on a wall, again no panic even though his head was hook down near the floor, he just stood still and waited to be rescued :rolleyes:
 
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