what happedned to that horse at badminton?

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what happened to that horse at badminton, the one that cut open its belly on the cross county phase? it was horrific to watch, blood everyhwhere, but nothing was said on whether it survived or not??
 
If you mean the french horse that impaled itself on the fence side flag, it did not survive.
 
Def makes you think though i wouldn't call the vicarage vee a simple fence - personally i still think its the hardest fence on course, you get your line even slightly wrong and you miss it.
Such a freak accident though, very sad and such a stunning horse.
 
we were talking about that accident with our vet and he said that he really felt for the vet that had to deal with it, he said it must have been like plugging a hole while a bucket of blood was being poured through it - totally horrific
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Thing is it would have been saved if it was just the artery that had been staked, but apparently (this comes from a trusted source though i dont know the real ins and outs) the flag had also split the horse's rectum too and effectively its intestines were spilling out into its abdomen
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the vets didnt know this until they got it onto the operating table and there was no way they could save it
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really really tragic and totally freak
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i was knocked backwards when i heard that had happened too
 
Yes i believe that source is correct - the rectum was also split - having watched it live (As many on here did) my thoughts go out HUGELY to poor jean lou bigot (the rider) to be so helpless, awful!
For any consolation i must say from what i did see on the big screen, the horse looked to be so full of adrenaline he still had his ears pricked and looked to not have realised. He was also sedated very quickly.
 
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on such a simple fence too.

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Have you ever read a report on Badminton, or even been to Badminton.. the V-Vee is the fence that every rider has nightmares about!!!!! It's the hardest fence on the course!!!
 
yes he did appear to not have even noticed what had happened, the rider had to pull him up- notice how the camera man took the camera off as soon as he's realised just how much blood there was!!
 
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on such a simple fence too.

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Have you ever read a report on Badminton, or even been to Badminton.. the V-Vee is the fence that every rider has nightmares about!!!!! It's the hardest fence on the course!!!

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ok maybe i didnt explain myself, i means simple as in it looks more basic than some of the other jumps (i know its not) there didnt appear to be a way that a horse can possibly hurt itself on that fence....some of those jumps LOOK dangerous! if im making sense!
 
I think the angle that the fence was shown to be jumped at, made it look like a simple fence. I wasnt aware which fence it was as i was watching whilst gardening and not paying any attention to the commentary. I was surprised at the fact it was a huge diagonal ditch fence... very scary indeed, but the angle made it look like a narrow upright!!
 
There has been a great deal of discussion about this incident on HHO - In particular the use of timber flag posts. William Fox-Pitt was quoted in H&H recently saying that 'All timber flag posts should be burnt'. I do agree with these sentiments. However unlikely it is that this kind of accident might happen again, let's take away the possibility that it might by using something else other than timber.
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from what i understood, usually all the flags are velcro'ed so they come away. This one unfortunatly kept falling down so some bright spark wired it back so it wouldn't fall..... shame that it was this one that the horse hit, and therefore because it didn't fall caused such horrific damage ..... a hard lesson learn't I think
 
I'm not sure where you got that idea from, the flag was velcroed onto the fence and fell as the horse hit it and came away from the fence completely. Unfortunately the horse hit it 'head on' and not with a shoulder so took it with him and the bottom (blunt) end of the flagpole caused the damage to the horse.
 
Changing subject slightly but how were so many hhoers stood at that fence at the time of the accident and we didnt even know eachother was there lol
And agree - you could see the flag come away but as he tackled it head on, the flag snapped as he landed on it from above and the sharred bit went up into him
 
It was actually the blunt end that caused the injury - I think this had already happened by the time the horse stood on the flag and broke it.
 
Oh really? Ah from what i saw i thought it was the sharred bit but i wasnt that close up, jesus how did the blunt bit manage to severe an artery and his rectum?? blimey!!

Think its time to start bringing in some rubber flags (not plastic as some have suggested because surely they can break just as easily?) or foam if they want a cheap option
 
Well velcro is obviously invaluable. But even with this, it seems top eventers like WFP believe that timber is not the most appropriate material to use.....So personally although I understand you cannot eliminate risk, you can try to minimise it, and for that reason I would perfer to see timber ditched.
 
I'd have to dig out H&H to find what WFP wrote - But he mentioned other top class events using alternatives to timber, and said it was time to 'ceremonially burn' all timber flag posts. Nothing is risk free, but timber surely is one of the more dangerous material to use - as this incident proved.
 
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I'm not sure where you got that idea from, the flag was velcroed onto the fence and fell as the horse hit it and came away from the fence completely. Unfortunately the horse hit it 'head on' and not with a shoulder so took it with him and the bottom (blunt) end of the flagpole caused the damage to the horse.

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I was told by a friend who was there..... I am glad that it wasn't wired as it did seem a little odd.
 
OH MY GOD DO NOT EVEN TRY AND COMPARE THE SITUATIONS Sorry but there is NO comparison

Poor jean lou lost his horse in a freak accident that was not his fault and he pulled up within 3strides of it happening - jumped STRAIGHT off and desperately tried to stem the bleed.

So dont you DARE compare that to amy tryon who kicked on her horse after it was injured and didnt even bother to check her horse after she got off.

Dont you dare. You should be ashamed of yourself. How can you call yourself a horse lover or even a human being.
 
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It looks to me like you have sympathy for the frenchman, but not Amy, how can you guys be so two faced?

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I am sure Amy would have the same level of sympathy had she stopped immediately the horse showed it was in pain instead of making it continue. I think our sympathies are very much with Amy's horse just not the silly woman on top of it!

The French rider knew instantly there was a problem and was off the horse immediately which is what Amy should have done.
 
Because he pulled up. I saw the footage from Kentucky and I was at the fence at Badminton where the accident happened and you cannot compare the two situations. Le Samurai was trying to pull himself up and was kicked on twice and pushed over the last fence. Icare was still full of running, ears forwards, in sight of the next fence (not round a corner) and the rider pulled up within a few strides when the crowds started screaming 'stop'. That is the difference.
 
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It looks to me like you have sympathy for the frenchman, but not Amy, how can you guys be so two faced?

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I can't believe you asked such an inane question. The only similarity between the 2 events is that both horses were seriously injured and tragically they both died.
Would you have supported Amy riding her horse if she were in sight of the finish if he was spurting blood from his belly?? Le Samurai may not have been bleeding but his injury was JUST as blatant and obvious to those of us with half a brain as it was to the crowd at Kentucky.
 
I am all for research into the use of safer alternative materials for marker flags on cross country fences but what about just makng them shorter. I understand that one of the flags on the Huntsmans Close obstacles kept being dislodged by competitors but because it was much shorter than the one at the vicarage vee, it did no harm.
Also, what did Mark Philllips mean in his recent article about there being lessons to learn from "control issues" at this incident?
 
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