What happened to the Brightwells thread ?

Anyone wanting the full script on this one should look in the lounge area on Horse Gossip, who deserve alot of credit for allowing the thread to continue - it would appear to be the only site that has done this - there are members of that forum that have personal experience of the sale and the stud in question.

There are details on there of who to petition/contact regarding the welfare of the ponies in question, together with email addresses etc.

Hopefully action will be taken in this regard in the next few days.
 
What A40 gone again:(:(:(:( But it is about time Welsh Society did something about this Stud as it reflex badly on them, as if they let substandard ponies be registared in their studbooks it makes a fallacy of good breeding and what use studbooks.
 
cronkmooar said:
Anyone wanting the full script on this one should look in the lounge area on Horse Gossip, who deserve alot of credit for allowing the thread to continue - it would appear to be the only site that has done this - there are members of that forum that have personal experience of the sale and the stud in question.
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Definitely- many other forums which this was discussed on deleted the threads so hg have been brilliantly supportive and have done so with risk to themselves.
 
The HG forum is amazing lots of links including youtube, some people on there have been so busy emailing, phoning its really inspirational. I have emailed WPCS and just had a standard reply saying they will get back to me.
 
Bakedbean the loss of Alligator is a great pity as she has a unique knowledge of these situations and the other is no great loss as she is way too insular. This thread was too important to be lost to someone using it to have a pop at another poster.
 
Dobiegirl said:
Bakedbean the loss of Alligator is a great pity as she has a unique knowledge of these situations and the other is no great loss as she is way too insular. This thread was too important to be lost to someone using it to have a pop at another poster.
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Exactly well said - who in all honesty will miss R, but the knowledge A40 has is invaluable, shame R was not intelligent enough to utilise that knowledge. Oh by the way - welcome Baked Bean nice to have a newby on board
 
Very sad to hear A40 has been banned .... what a cop out, H+H!


I've written to the WPCS suggesting they have a policy on welfare which their recognised studs and judges should adhere to.
(I'm NOT suggesting that hardiness or type would be affected by this, so please don't think I meant fluffy warm rugs for every broodmare.)
 
The Auctioneers could salvage their reputation by donating the proceeds from the stud in question to WHW
 
ozpoz said:
I've written to the WPCS suggesting they have a policy on welfare which their recognised studs and judges should adhere to.
(I'm NOT suggesting that hardiness or type would be affected by this, so please don't think I meant fluffy warm rugs for every broodmare.)
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The WPCS do have a welfare policy!
The breeder/owner in question is a WPCS judge!
 
I'll admit it's years since I've been to an auction. It was the arab sale at Ascot, & was very well run with some lovely animals, & I seem to remember run by Brightwells, so they can get it right. Don't auctions have to have a welfare officer or is it optional? Did no=one inspect these animals before they went in the ring?

I've seen some iffy cases down the local market in the past (held on the first friday of every month - not by BW), but thought BW did the top end of the market. Very shocked! That a stud owned by a registered judge sent out iffy animals was another shock.

Well done poster for spreading the word, I for one was not aware of what was going on. I'm sure I'm far from alone.
 
I have today received an email from WPCS (Principal Officer) it was two lines thanking me for my communication and saying they were placing it before the trustees(council) for consideration. It had two errors including my name, dosnt fill you with confidence does it?:eek:
 
pastie2 said:
It is a shame this sale has put a WPCS sale in the same bracket as a chuck out sale that occurs most weeks all over the country. Once the WPCS sales were something special, it was a sale for good breeders to sell and get a good reputation for breeding good ponies. I think Brightwells have shot theirselves in the foot.
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It was noticeable on the Saddlesoap thread that some breeders had deliberately not entered ponies in this sale because of the entry of stud reduction ponies. Their reasoning being that people bid on those ponies so ''they did not go back home'' instead of bidding on well cared for, well produced ponies.

So from that point of view Brightwells did themselves a disservice losing entries of quality ponies which foreign buyers come to view/purchase
 
cronkmooar said:
The WPCS do have a welfare policy!
The breeder/owner in question is a WPCS judge!
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Yes, I know
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I'm reminding them - and pointing out there is no use having a policy if it isn't implemented. It is my first letter.:D

There is obviously something very wrong with their system.
 
Too many times this issue has been swept under the carpet by the society- too much back scratching going on as far as I'm concerned! I'd like to think that the meeting today is not just about protecting themselves but looking out for the welfare of the ponies- although I must say I'm not hopeful considering the track record of the society :( I'm hoping to be proved wrong though!
 
Is it because commitee members of the WPCS are unwilling to stand up against a senior judge who may not place their ponies well on their next outing?

I can't think of any other reason why they would have tolerated this for so many years.

The campaign on facebook seems to be growing wings..Looks like the WPCS are in for some VERY bad publicity, deservedly, for condoning these standards.
 
I think some people are wary of standing up to a senior judge, however he also has a lot of allies in the society who would defend him (no idea why!) so it makes it difficult for those who want to stand up to him. Hopefully some good will come of this- and not just the society distancing themselves from it. I wouldn't be surprised if, like member from another forum said, the rspca and other welfare organisations wade in to be 'heros' when this gets publicity despite ignoring the issue for so long!
 
This is the statement released by the wpcs: passing the buck and non-committal springs to mind!

Statement issued by the Welsh Pony and Cob Society in relation to the Sales held on 14th May 2011
The Welsh Pony and Cob Society acknowledges the communication and correspondence received in connection with the sales held on 14th May 2011 and issues this statement in response.

The draft sales of Welsh Mountain Ponies and Welsh Cobs on behalf of the Criccieth and Ilston Studs that were held at Builth Wells on Saturday 14th May 2011 were not part of the Society’s Official sale. These sales were Brightwells’ responsibility and were conducted outside the Society’s conditions of sale, as noted clearly both in the catalogue and through the rostrum at the sale itself. Brightwells has issued a statement with regard to the sale of these animals which can be found at www.brightwells.com.

At its meeting held today, Council decided that no entries would be allowed to be sold outside the official sale rules of the Society, at the same venue, on the same day, or included in official sales catalogues in future.

As a result of Council’s concerns, the whole issue of sales are to be reviewed, to include the standard and condition of animals entered. This will include increased involvement of the Society’s Honorary Welfare Officer and Honorary Veterinary Surgeon.

The Society considers the welfare of all equines to be of paramount importance and works hard to educate and support owners and breeders of Welsh Ponies and Cobs in this respect. However, it has to be acknowledged that the Society’s role is educational and advisory, but that the Society itself has no legal powers. The Society’s Welfare Officer is working closely with the relevant authorities in connection with welfare complaints received. At the conclusion of any investigation, the appropriate action will be taken.

The Society has always considered welfare as a priority and will continue to work closely with members and non-members to ensure the health and prosperity of all Welsh Ponies, Cobs and horses in general.

Council, Welsh Pony and Cob Society
19th May 2011
 
Passing the buck indeed but they will not be getting off lightly. According to the HG forum they have got a campaign going with good evidence about the man whose ponies are a the centre of all this. Apparrently these closing down sales have been going on for years and Brightwells have been involved.
 
I wish the wpcs would just for once suck it up and admit that they are at fault and accept responsibility- somehow I don't think that will happen though. I believe welfare organisations are beginning to get into actions- although I think that considering the wpcs are the authorising society they are not fulfilling their responsibility to the welfare of the ponies and are more concerned about scratching each others backs!
 
Yup , nowhere near good enough!

The WPCS really needs to be seen to do the right thing now.
Educate those small children going into the horse world from the back of their ponies - are they to grow up thinking this condoning neglect is ok as long as you don't upset the judge?

14 years of ' stud dispersal' sales from the same stud!!!!
 
I was a proud member of the WPCS but never again will they see a penny from me!

They are as bad as EEE is!
They take his money and register these ponies. IMO they are silent partners and have been allowing this to go on for 40+ years!
EEE is a life member and a judge!
Not so Bright are equally as bad...it does not take 14 years to disperse a stud!!!
And as for the vet who passed them fit for sale....
 
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