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Judgemental said:
On the basis of the old adage, 'what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas' (which seems to have, shall we say, not been respected recently) I felt a timely and topical reminder to all concerned, especially the younger entry that the same applies to hunting.

Especially bearing in mind the recent and unforgivable intrusion into private Royal life in France.

Whatever you hear, whatever you see, who with and whatever happens, stays in the hunting field.

The use of camera's on mobile 'phones, should in my opinion be considered as bad as, 'kicking a hound' in which case you should be sent home and told not to come out again on that particular horse or pony.

Unless of course it is being used in gathering evidence against unacceptable, so called 'hunt monitor' activity.
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Is that so conversations involving the trapping, caging and releasing of foxes in order to provide a bit of Saturday sport aren't made public?

Or is that just me. Mind you this wasn't out hunting, it was at a social event. Maybe the fact I ride, and wear old tweed coats means those who discuss such things don't bother lowering their voices when I'm around :)

I imagine these sorts of things may be discussed, is that why what happens out hunting stays out hunting? :)
 
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KidnapMoss said:
Is that so conversations involving the trapping, caging and releasing of foxes in order to provide a bit of Saturday sport aren't made public?

Or is that just me. Mind you this wasn't out hunting, it was at a social event. Maybe the fact I ride, and wear old tweed coats means those who discuss such things don't bother lowering their voices when I'm around :)

I imagine these sorts of things may be discussed, is that why what happens out hunting stays out hunting? :)
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I've never, ever heard anything like that discussed out hunting, with any hunt in all of my years. If such activity was going on at the time (and I don't think that such practice did go on to any great extent) I certainly don't think it would be made public to members of the field or other followers. They would be too likely to spread it, for a start. It does contravene MFHA rules. And I'd l know a lot of followers who would have regarded it as very 'un-sportsman' like, and strongly disapprove of such practice. If that was happening, probably the only people discussing it would have been the master, hunt staff and terrier men.
 
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It was a few years ago, but it was post ban. And it was heard by me, it was one of those things that i heard, and then thought about later, wondering if I had really heard it. Maybe they have stopped now, hopefully. It was along the lines of a landowner had caught a fox, that was stalking chickens, caged and then shot it, and a hunting neighbour was terribly cross as they wished to release it to hunt that Saturday and told him next time to do that.

Unfortunately it was another nail in the coffin for me when it comes to hunting and now I'm afraid I wish to have no part of it :eek:
 
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It was a few years ago, but it was post ban. And it was heard by me, it was one of those things that i heard, and then thought about later, wondering if I had really heard it. Maybe they have stopped now, hopefully. It was along the lines of a landowner had caught a fox, that was stalking chickens, caged and then shot it, and a hunting neighbour was terribly cross as they wished to release it to hunt that Saturday and told him next time to do that.

Unfortunately it was another nail in the coffin for me when it comes to hunting and now I'm afraid I wish to have no part of it :eek:
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To be honest I can completely understand your view. I am totally opposed to practice like that (and I know that in most hunts this did not go on). This is both cruel and unfair. The MFHA rules clearly state that releasing caught foxes is not allowed. It goes against what fox hunting should have been about-the finding and hunting of a wild fox in country that it knows. Some people believe that the use of bagged (or other pre caught) foxes do not provide good sport anyway-they apparently tend to run down wind and, for the fact that they are terrified (a terrified fox produces no or a weaker scent). I would have hoped that such practice was largely a thing of the distant past (the 19th century was when it was most common). But was the hunt involved with what you heard, or was it just the view of one individual?
 
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I suppose you could say it was one individual who was heavily involved but not a hunt staff member per say so I would like to think that the hunt itself would be very opposed and disgusted about it and I'm sure they would be from what you say.

But as I say above, final nail in the coffin I'm afraid! I'm a farmers wife and ceartinily not a fluffy bunny, just made my descion based on what I have seen and heard :)
 
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KidnapMoss said:
It was a few years ago, but it was post ban. And it was heard by me, it was one of those things that i heard, and then thought about later, wondering if I had really heard it. Maybe they have stopped now, hopefully. It was along the lines of a landowner had caught a fox, that was stalking chickens, caged and then shot it, and a hunting neighbour was terribly cross as they wished to release it to hunt that Saturday and told him next time to do that.

Unfortunately it was another nail in the coffin for me when it comes to hunting and now I'm afraid I wish to have no part of it :eek:
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Have also heard a similar story. Fox was bagged beforehand and released on day of hunt. Supposed a plan B in case the hounds failed to raise a fox. Said hunt got fined I believe some years later for same practice so it seems it was not a one off. Person who told me was a hunt member. So sorry, not everything that happens on the hunt stays on the hunt! All pre hunting ban by the way so I'm sure it doesn't happen anymore :rolleyes: I do not approve of hunting live quarry by the way. Who was it quoted.. The mindless in pursuit of the harmless. Wilde ?
 
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I would like to think that the hunt itself would be very opposed and disgusted about it and I'm sure they would be from what you say.
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Hm, not sure about that. Hunts that carry out such practice severely damage the overall image of hunting, but I do know (only from anti information, so possible not 100% true) that some hunts have carried out such practice in the past. It's not necessary for a good days hunting in any way, and it was never commonplace I don't think. That didn't stop some hunts from doing it. I just know that I, (and I'm sure, several other hunting people) think that hunting pre caught wild foxes isn't sporting, and therefore never belongs in hunting.
 
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Dare I say it but I am off to excercise my hunter.

The invention of the mobile phone camera/mini cam etc... has certainly put a stop to the old saying "if the horsebox is rocking, don't come a knocking".

All that means these days is your horse is pummelling you with his traveling boots on.

Anyway, it has always been far more intersting to know what goes on OFF the hunting field.

It would be more acurate to say "what happens at the Hunt Ball, stays at the Hunt Ball".



Paddy
 
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