what is a lurcher?

Arizahn said:
For all we know, the mum and dad were rescued along with their unborn puppies...but yeah, let's judge.

Anyway, zandp asked if the mum counted as a lurcher - not the pup. Why jump on them and get offensive?
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So why was dad still around to view? If they know it was the sire thay had time to spay the bitch.
Where was I offensive? Some people cannot face the truth.
 
Well, all the poster asked was whether their pup's mother was possibly a lurcher. They didn't claim the pup was, there was really no need to leap in and call it a mutt. You came across as offensive, imo.

The sire may have been neutered post litter, the bitch may have since been spayed, the people the pup came from may have been numpties, they may have been byb, who knows? Why assume the op knows? Why assume they don't? And why, in response to the poster asking if the dam was a lurcher, would you say link this to the neutering thread? It was uncalled for.
 
And as to why the dad would still be around, well we all know how hard it is to rehome a dog safely! It takes time. Anyway, for all we know, the people who gave/sold the pup to the poster may have rescued the parents from a bad situation and not known about the litter, or not felt able to abort, etc. Not everyone is able to make that choice. It's a squooshy human emotional thing.
 
Arizahn said:
Well, all the poster asked was whether their pup's mother was possibly a lurcher. They didn't claim the pup was, there was really no need to leap in and call it a mutt. You came across as offensive, imo.

The sire may have been neutered post litter, the bitch may have since been spayed, the people the pup came from may have been numpties, they may have been byb, who knows? Why assume the op knows? Why assume they don't? And why, in response to the poster asking if the dam was a lurcher, would you say link this to the neutering thread? It was uncalled for.
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50p to a charity says I am correct..............The people would have been numpties and BYBs. Have you read that neutering thread? Is it about early neutering and why some charities are doing it.
Why assume the op knows? Why assume they don't?
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You obviously didn't read my post.
 
I read it. You were coming across as aggressive. Did you read mine? I posed a question, why assume whether the op knows the details? We don't know. We were not there. We do not know anything about that litter. I knew replying to you would be a mistake. You always do this. I had you on ignore for several months and you are going back on there as I do not want to be a*sed arguing with you.

I do not want to derail this thread. I haven't commented on the neutering thread but honestly? No. I do not support neutering under six months. Keep the dogs in rescue or foster until then if need be. If there is no room, euthanise the ones that have the lowest chance of rehoming, or that are unwell.

Back to topic now, perhaps?
 
Arizahn said:
I read it. You were coming across as aggressive. Did you read mine? I posed a question, why assume whether the op knows the details? We don't know. We were not there. We do not know anything about that litter. I knew replying to you would be a mistake. You always do this. I had you on ignore for several months and you are going back on there as I do not want to be a*sed arguing with you.

I do not want to derail this thread. I haven't commented on the neutering thread but honestly? No. I do not support neutering under six months. Keep the dogs in rescue or foster until then if need be. If there is no room, euthanise the ones that have the lowest chance of rehoming, or that are unwell.

Back to topic now, perhaps?
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To answer your questions-
Why assume the op knows? Why assume they don't? And why, in response to the poster asking if the dam was a lurcher, would you say link this to the neutering thread?
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If they had researched before getting the pup and they know the Dam was a crossbreed/mongrel therefore it's offspring is too.
That they stated that the sire & dam were rescues is the reason that some rescues are early neutering so it was relevent.

I don't support neutering under six months or until a dog is full size and I have refused to rehome early or to on occasion to people who "must get it neutered so it can't have an accidental litter" when they will only have one dog as that implies lack of supervision.

Too many dogs are being born and many mixed longdog crosses are getting dumped on unsuspecting pet owners. We can't keep puppies until they are a year so why allow more to be born in rescue or to rescues?
 
How am I adding to the problem by saying I have a pup whose parents were rescues?

Adding to the problem would be breeding my pup.
Whoever the people were who did breed these 2 dogs are adding to the problem.

Talking about it and referencing it isn't adding to the problem.

They weren't the people who own the 2 dogs now, not that any of this is any of your business and if you come across as offensive and judgemental in real life as you have on this post I doubt anyone listens to you at all.

All I was doing was checking if the mum was a lurcher and trying to share some of my joy that I have a wonderful puppy who is the best thing that's happened since I had my last dog pts in my lap on my settee at home 2 years ago. He was a rescue too. And no we didn't have him neutered. We did however ensure he didn't have any puppies himself while he was with us.
 
Alec Swan said:
I've never understood the distinctions which are offered up which would
A quick thought about Salukis; they are distance dogs and will follow their hare for 1000 yards, and more. They have remarkable stamina. Many seem to think that Greyhounds are stupid, they're anything but. Salukis, however, are of little use, in the thinking department!

Alec.
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*snigger* So true! OH has a Saluki x greyhound/collie, even though she is the fastest working dog I've seen she is also the
dumbest in a sense and is more or less uselss these days, was an absolute machine a few years ago but a year of being spoilt by OH's dad has turned her into a dumb wimp :p

OH's greyhound/collie x deehound/bedlington is a beast though :D

I can't stand bull breeds in lurchers and it seems to be the scumbags who are breeding them for pigging and foxes
 
zandp said:
How am I adding to the problem by saying I have a pup whose parents were rescues?

Adding to the problem would be breeding my pup.
Whoever the people were who did breed these 2 dogs are adding to the problem.

Talking about it and referencing it isn't adding to the problem.

They weren't the people who own the 2 dogs now, not that any of this is any of your business and if you come across as offensive and judgemental in real life as you have on this post I doubt anyone listens to you at all.

All I was doing was checking if the mum was a lurcher and trying to share some of my joy that I have a wonderful puppy who is the best thing that's happened since I had my last dog pts in my lap on my settee at home 2 years ago. He was a rescue too. And no we didn't have him neutered. We did however ensure he didn't have any puppies himself while he was with us.
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Lol, well off topic:D, but I do think adding/encouraging the problem would include "buying" a puppy from 2 dogs known to be rescues.
Part of my daily life includes educating people about "breeding from "rescue" dogs (I guess ignorance bliss) on the breeders behalf or possibly they are just thick and the people buying pups from what they know are or where rescue dogs!! it is simply encouraging (would you not agree)? not a rude comment either just a question?...... a dog/s that possibly should have been in a yellow sack (they are yellow here anyway):p then procreating is the worse kind ignorance to me and possibly one of the things that enrages me the most. Obs thats just my point of view:)

I remember someone posting here once and suggesting breeding from her dogs, it turned into a huge debate and turns out both where from rescue centers (this did not seem unscrupulous to her):confused:, both discarded yet pro creating themselves:confused: go figure. She also discarded of the dogs and one also had a health issue (scarey) or what?? and I think when questioned about health screening she said her vets did not have a big enough table to xray the dogs:rolleyes:
 
The argument in the post was that by referencing it I was adding to the problem though. Referencing a problem never adds to it.

I don't disagree that by having a pup from this litter I could be considered to have encouraged breeding, however the breeding had already happend (accidentally as it happens) and the person who owns mum and dad dog couldn't keep the puppies.

This pup was my Christmas present too so we're doubly irresponsible, a dog for Christmas !!

And shoot me now people, we both work full time :)
 
zandp said:
The argument in the post was that by referencing it I was adding to the problem though. Referencing a problem never adds to it.

I don't disagree that by having a pup from this litter I could be considered to have encouraged breeding, however the breeding had already happend (accidentally as it happens) and the person who owns mum and dad dog couldn't keep the puppies.

This pup was my Christmas present too so we're doubly irresponsible, a dog for Christmas !!

And shoot me now people, we both work full time :)
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:eek::eek::p Don't be silly. We buy or acquire puppies. Someone bred them, accidentally or otherwise. It isn't a crime, despite what some may tell you !! :D

I'm planning on a litter of Cocker pups this summer. They will be bred for work and docked. They are out of an exceptionally well bred and highly regarded bitch, and by a FTCH dog (I already have him lined up)! ;)

The pups will be for sale, and as a bonus, I may end up with one puppy which has effectively cost me nothing, that's the plan. ;)

Alec.
 
Nobody mentioned a crime being committed, although it should be;)

Alec not sure what a supposed well bred working/planned litter has in connection with 2 rescue dogs slapped together to create some mutts for a (I would hazard a guess).... dole top up for some a few months worth of rollies or regal kingsize and a few cases of carling.;)

Lol, is that even a brand of tab/fag (whatever they are called):p

A Xmas present :eek::D:p
 
CAYLA said:
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Alec not sure what a supposed well bred working/planned litter has in connection with 2 rescue dogs slapped together to create some mutts for a (I would hazard a guess).... dole top up for some a few months worth of rollies or regal kingsize and a few cases of carling.;)

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I agree. It was simply a reply to zandp, and their apparent sense of misplaced, guilt! It was off topic. I apologise! :p

Come to think of it, it has nothing at all to do with the initial question, has it? I do think that the description "A Lurcher" is often misused. There has to be a fit for purpose use for the dog bred, and in part that would mean that it could effectively course a hare, with a reasonable chance of catching it, though even then pure bred greyhounds are rarely able, single handedly, to catch a hare, so it isn't just a matter of speed.

Brains, come with experience, and all so often young dogs, entered too early, find that they can't catch a hare, so though they chase, they can have the belief knocked out of them. Plenty of potentially good puppies have ended up as right-offs, through no fault of their own.

Back to the question, again, The Lurcher was originally the gypsy's dog. It was instinctively a thief (no intended parallels), it was able to care for and feed itself, should the need arise, and it would when an overnight stay was found, be slipped at dusk, often to return home with a hare. It must be remembered, that before the motor car and the ability to travel daily distances to work, there were many families who relied to a large extent upon what their dogs could provide.

Today, we mostly keep cross bred coursing dogs, for fun, but that hasn't always been the case.

Alec. :D
 
My lurcher would fill the pot every night, given the opportunity. She was a rescue dumped when coursers were disturbed - not on our land - and I got her from the kennels the dog warden takes them to. She has all the morality you would expect from her upbringing and is the most independent minded dog I have ever met, she loves you if it suits her but if there is a better offer she is out of here, she is very cat like in many ways.

I think a true lurcher should be adaptable and independant thinking, no point only being able to kill hares. She can use her nose to hunt up prey and if out with the terriers will watch them dive in the brambles/logpile/whatever and circle round the other side to wait.
 
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