What is he MW/HW hunter?

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I brough him as a 3yr old as H/W hunter hes turned for been broken and turned away for the summer. I brough him the other day for a tidy up and now cant decide whether hes a middle or heavy weigh hunter as hes got 9inches of bone so is borderline for bothe weights I just think at 17hh hell be dwarfed in a HW class

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Nice stamp, who is he by ?

Assuming next season will be his first you would be better starting him in a novice class at County Level rather than throwing him in the deep end with the open horses. Your lad will be impressive when he is fit and hard. He looks MW, but photo's are deceiving, he certainly is not HW and you may be surprised at the size of some of the MW's.

We were undecided which division to head for and initially registered the horse as a light, going to Leics County for a first outing - mistake unless the horse in funfair proof ! Judge told us the horse was between weights and advised to produce him as a ladies horse. That was not possible. We sought a little advice from a couple of producers and were told to get more muscle on him and bring him out as a middle.

The middles will often have more than 9" of bone. My lad has 91/2" and stands 17.2h and on occasion looked small. He often stood 2nd to Pride and Joy who was a big horse.

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He is pure bred ID by Roma Diamond Skip out of Toux Maybe

Next year I aim to do mainly novices and Id classes, hopefully do search for a star
 
Id say middleweight also. I've shown at county level for the first time this year and took my boy in the middleweights but his breeder felt I should be in the lightweights! It's all so confusing, he's 17.2 with 9 and a 1/4 inch of bone and we were dwarfed in some of the middleweight classes.

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He looks a lovely lad. I agree definitely not a HW though. If you look at Oathill Take the Biscuit, this year’s RI winner, he is a middleweight !! A lot of them are massive height and width wise. I too have a pure bred ID who has 10in of bone and is 16.2 but there is no way on earth he’d make up into a HW and in fact I think he looks small for a MW too.

RDS does tend to throw ‘lighter’ sorts, so you may simply find that he doesn’t bulk up even if he grows in height.

I’d do as AA says and stick to Novice classes for now and see what feedback you get. Mine grew a lot between 7 & 9yrs so what you have now might be different in a few years time, but of course bone won’t change. Just don’t get tempted to pack on the pounds to make up the body weight for these classes.

I think you have a lovely horse who will do a bit of everything so I hope you have fun with him.
 
I agree with mw
I have a hw and it's really stocky chunky legs that define the hw over mw.
also mw classes come before hw ones, so the judge can always upgrade you to the next class. but you couldn't do that the other way round.
 
DollyDolls said:
I agree with mw
I have a hw and it's really stocky chunky legs that define the hw over mw.
also mw classes come before hw ones, so the judge can always upgrade you to the next class. but you couldn't do that the other way round.
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this is what I though jis legs are not chunky enough, Im not bothered about which weight he goes in just though Id see if I was right in thinking that h'es MW, Im also going to also so some flat ridden sport horse classes with him to next year
 
defiantly MW!

here is mine who's 17.2hh and is a BIG horse, he's only 5 and has tripled in size under a year, and I sometimes look at him and think **** you're huge you can't be a mw haha!!! but he defiantly is and could be nothing else! haven't had chance to get him out much though atm, hoping he'll be a worker and a ladies though mainly :)

 
jessamess said:
defiantly MW!

here is mine who's 17.2hh and is a BIG horse, he's only 5 and has tripled in size under a year, and I sometimes look at him and think **** you're huge you can't be a mw haha!!! but he defiantly is and could be nothing else! haven't had chance to get him out much though atm, hoping he'll be a worker and a ladies though mainly :)

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Lovely horse, do you know how he is bred ? The second photo shows he has nice freedom in his shoulder and when he is poll high and mature he will be quite some horse. There are very few true quality hunters around now. I know the recession has hit shows for the last few years, but classes of 30 were common not that long ago, now 12/14 is the norm. Even less in the heavies. My lad retired in 2011 and I have been looking for another of the same quality. Found just one, with a massive price tag of 25k, way out of our reach. Found a second at 10k, lovely, good enough but a total head banger in temperament and we are far too old to get splattered by 18h of rudeness.

Good luck with him. I think you should do a few novices, win a strong one and then head into the open weights, which is exactly what we did with my horse above. He turned into a revelation and took us amateurs from riding club to Hoys in 4 years, taking many county championships on the way, the National Hunter Show and BD finals. What an experience for us.

When you have cleaned up in the weights and the ladies, if you have resisted the numerous offers you will receive for him, head to the workers. Looking forward to seeing you at HOY's 2014 - best of luck.
 
jessamess said:
defiantly MW!

here is mine who's 17.2hh and is a BIG horse, he's only 5 and has tripled in size under a year, and I sometimes look at him and think **** you're huge you can't be a mw haha!!! but he defiantly is and could be nothing else! haven't had chance to get him out much though atm, hoping he'll be a worker and a ladies though mainly :)

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Hes a lovely horse, I imagine 6months of work and my boy will look differnt

Just out of curiosity how tall are you looking at the picture of you holding him your boy looks like he come to a similar level on you as skip does on me
 
AdorableAlice said:
Lovely horse, do you know how he is bred ? The second photo shows he has nice freedom in his shoulder and when he is poll high and mature he will be quite some horse. There are very few true quality hunters around now. I know the recession has hit shows for the last few years, but classes of 30 were common not that long ago, now 12/14 is the norm. Even less in the heavies. My lad retired in 2011 and I have been looking for another of the same quality. Found just one, with a massive price tag of 25k, way out of our reach. Found a second at 10k, lovely, good enough but a total head banger in temperament and we are far too old to get splattered by 18h of rudeness.

Good luck with him. I think you should do a few novices, win a strong one and then head into the open weights, which is exactly what we did with my horse above. He turned into a revelation and took us amateurs from riding club to Hoys in 4 years, taking many county championships on the way, the National Hunter Show and BD finals. What an experience for us.

When you have cleaned up in the weights and the ladies, if you have resisted the numerous offers you will receive for him, head to the workers. Looking forward to seeing you at HOY's 2014 - best of luck.
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Thank you he's such a lovely easy horse as well as being a 'nice' horse, he's by Cavalier Land who's a Cavalier Royale stallion, out of some other irish mare! haha so pretty much all Irish bloody nothing too fancy! haha but he is a lovely horse and can't wait to get him out next year (just haven't had chance this year due to bosses accident which means everything went on hold showing wise)

He's triple the size he was as a 4 year old though, this is him february 2012 when I bought him-


And even the difference from November 2012



It's amazing how they they just suddenly change right infront of your eyes!
 
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