What is the Germans secret?

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Ok Dab here we are..... (this is so much more fun that glossing the bathroom which is what I should be doing :))

FEI classics 2011 standings top 29

GBR 10
NZL 4
GER 5
AUS 3
USA 3
SWE 1
FRA 1
CAN 2


...very interesting...so GBR heads and shoulder during last season but the others all much of a muchness...:)
 

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Ok Dab here we are..... (this is so much more fun that glossing the bathroom which is what I should be doing :))

FEI classics 2011 standings top 29

GBR 10
NZL 4
GER 5
AUS 3
USA 3
SWE 1
FRA 1
CAN 2


...very interesting...so GBR heads and shoulder during last season but the others all much of a muchness...:)

very interesting, and i might have to revise my opinion slightly. so out of those riders how many have gained points at more than 1 of the classic events?
 

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http://www.fei.org/sites/default/fi...eason HSBC Standings after 5 Events_final.pdf

now this gets more interesting- this is average number of placed riders per country. ie NZL have 4 riders who were placed in 4 events, 1 event, 2 events and 1 events respectively.

GBR average 1.9
NZL average 2
AUS average 1.3
GER average1.2
USA average 1.3
SWE average 1
FRA average 1
CAN average 1

so not much in it at all really- NZL on top :)
 

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http://www.fei.org/sites/default/fi...eason HSBC Standings after 5 Events_final.pdf

now this gets more interesting- this is average number of placed riders per country. ie NZL have 4 riders who were placed in 4 events, 1 event, 2 events and 1 events respectively.

GBR average 1.9
NZL average 2
AUS average 1.3
GER average1.2
USA average 1.3
SWE average 1
FRA average 1
CAN average 1

so not much in it at all really- NZL on top :)

not seeing the relevance of avergering that number, it is misleading!

how many riders of each country received classic points at more than 1 event?
 

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I always ask myself why they dumb the eventing phase down slighltly as really the olyimpics should be a competiotn to show the worlds best sports people at that time... but unfortunatley for some countries they just are not quite top level as some of the others. either due to money/ horsepower/ lack of traning/ lack of competition/ back dated resources for care/training and so...
so for them to also take part and show their best eventers to the world would be better to have slighlty dumbed down course rather than lots and lots of accidents to people and horses.

The course in no way looked quite so easy as you would of thought, it was very tiring for alot of horses.

not easy at all and since I have seen the full day, I can say those 15 falls were looking terrible at some point.

Here on this link (I guess you all know it) you can see all again http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/london2012/index.html just go to the repeat sections and chose Equestrian and you can see the full dressage, the full jumping and the full eventing all again.
 

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not seeing the relevance of avergering that number, it is misleading!

how many riders of each country received classic points at more than 1 event?

...why misleading? IMO average it is more relevant as we were talking team prospects and so this takes account of number of top riders as well as how successful those riders are....anyway as you wish :D

so this is the number of riders from each country with placings at more than one event:

GBR: 4
NZL: 2
AUS: 1
GER: 1
USA: 1

...so GBR have the depth in squad but others much or a muchness :)
 

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...why misleading? IMO average it is more relevant as we were talking team prospects and so this takes account of number of top riders as well as how successful those riders are....anyway as you wish :D

point taken, but if you have a large number of riders who have placed in the classics, then the average gets skewed. If you are talking team prospects you would probably just take the top 4 or 5 riders and then avergage those results.
 

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point taken, but if you have a large number of riders who have placed in the classics, then the average gets skewed. If you are talking team prospects you would probably just take the top 4 or 5 riders and then avergage those results.

Oh ok I see- so maybe we should average but for those nationalities that have enough just average the bext 5 scores as this would be how many in a team? ...we should defo get a job analysing FEI stats:D
 

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Germany has structure from the FN down and is properly organised with people at the top being riders and breeders most have PhDs from Agricultural Universities. As has been said before you are allowed to compete you have to pass the riding test. When you look at the administrators of equine sport in the UK how many are ex competition riders have equine degrees. British breeding is going well we have 3 horses registered at birth with a UK studbook and one is 3 generations of British Breeding competing in the WBFSH Dressage Championships and when I was discussing with an administrator horses going they clearly had no idea what the rules for the entry to the competition were and sent two horses who do not even appear on the NED and were not according to DEFRA rules not born in the UK. This is no criticism of the horses just the knowledge of the rules. The importance of this competition internationally can be judged by the offer of 3 million Euros for the winning five year old last year.
 

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Oh ok I see- so maybe we should average but for those nationalities that have enough just average the bext 5 scores as this would be how many in a team? ...we should defo get a job analysing FEI stats:D

indeed :cool:

having taken a slighly closer look at the stats, i owe the german event riders an apology in terms of putting them behind the Oz riders. but it is still clear that the nations that would be competating for gold at a true 4* team comp would be Team GB and Team NZ, and then Germany, Oz and USA would be fighting it out for the lower places.
 

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I don't think it's fair to talk about GB or German riders being superior. Eventing is a three phase competition and inevitably people are going to specialise in one phase or another and therefore be more succesful in some competitions than they are in others.

This applies at all level of the sport. Look at all the people on here discussing how well a particular BE 100 will suit their horse, or asking for help with a particular phase. The way the Olympics operate suits the Germans but the Brits are better given a genuine 4* XC course. Given that neither event is contested by all the top riders and at the highest level i'm not sure you can say either is a genuine pinnacle of the sport.
 

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Back in the 70s I spent some time studying at Bonn university; getting withdrawal symptoms from horses I decided to track down what I thought was the local riding school.....being totally ignorant of the ReitVerein system.

Anyway, I somehow blagged my way into having some lessons and was gobsmacked at the horses that were so well trained to the voice. 'Schulter vor' shouted the instructor and the neds all went into a passable shoulder in.....okay, it would be a 6 for the majority, but god it didn't half give a feeling of some of the lateral and more advanced movements and whet my appetite to learn more.

I was the mad english woman who would ride the horses out in the forest for the first time after a winter spent in the indoor school; I was also the total numpty that couldn't ride a correct half pass! At that time we had a lot to teach each other.
 

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I was down at the Yorkshire Riding Centre last year [they do B&B], and spent several hours watching the German team in training with Chris Bartle, an absolute masterclass.
Preparation is the key, and they know how to prepare as a team without losing individual brilliance.
PS everything is quite relaxed, professional, but not regimented as one might speculate.
 
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