mangobiscuit
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Yes it's amazing how brave you USED to be.......oh well, I'm going to make a real effort this year to push myself to do things outside my comfort zone and try to get back my youthful gutsiness!!! - yeh right!!
What is the problem
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Sarah1
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Not read all posts so sorry in advance for anything repeated etc.!
I have a big WB (well he's WB x ID). I didn't buy him because he is a WB (he's heinze 57 as far as I'm concerned as I don't know his exact breeding!), or because he was big (he's grown far more than I anticipated and to be honest if I was looking at him now to buy, not knowing his temp., I wouldn't buy him as I'd think he was too big!). I just loved him when I saw him! 3 of us rode him, my 2 Nieces (15 & 17 at the time) and myself and he was clean limbed and straight which was more than could be said for the rest of the rabble I looked at!
I looked at full TB, ID x TB and WB and he was head and shoulders better than anything else I saw for the money I had to spend. I wanted a MW that was about 16hh - 16.1hh and he fitted the bill perfectly.
Turns out I made the right choice as he is the most loveable, affectionate, genuine horse I know and also quite intelligent, fancy that!
Think people who have WB's come in for some stick as some people assume they have just bought them for the status etc. I think alot of WB owners are like myself and just saw a horse they liked on site and bought him! If my horse had been a Shetland x I would have still wanted him as it's his attitude and temperament that appeals most to me. The fact that he's stunning is obviously an added bonus!
I have a big WB (well he's WB x ID). I didn't buy him because he is a WB (he's heinze 57 as far as I'm concerned as I don't know his exact breeding!), or because he was big (he's grown far more than I anticipated and to be honest if I was looking at him now to buy, not knowing his temp., I wouldn't buy him as I'd think he was too big!). I just loved him when I saw him! 3 of us rode him, my 2 Nieces (15 & 17 at the time) and myself and he was clean limbed and straight which was more than could be said for the rest of the rabble I looked at!
I looked at full TB, ID x TB and WB and he was head and shoulders better than anything else I saw for the money I had to spend. I wanted a MW that was about 16hh - 16.1hh and he fitted the bill perfectly.
Turns out I made the right choice as he is the most loveable, affectionate, genuine horse I know and also quite intelligent, fancy that!
Think people who have WB's come in for some stick as some people assume they have just bought them for the status etc. I think alot of WB owners are like myself and just saw a horse they liked on site and bought him! If my horse had been a Shetland x I would have still wanted him as it's his attitude and temperament that appeals most to me. The fact that he's stunning is obviously an added bonus!
Tierra
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Ive been through a few "types" over the years... irish, tb x, spanish, WBs and WB crosses.
At the end of the day, people suit different types of horses and that should be accepted. WBs tend to be quite easy to do and do appeal to a lot of people and that should be accepted. What people do with their money is nothing to do with anybody else anyway...
There's a tendency to stereotype the horses as well as the owners. WBs are as varied as their riders.. You get the very highly strung at one end and at the other, they're so laid back they're horizontal. I've certainly had both! My first horse was a Westphalian gelding who baby sat me like crazy.. A few years later I had an oldenburg mare that was amazingly talented but absolutely psychotic (never actually *did* anything but it was one step forwards, 3 sidewards a few backwards and then a cat leap all whilst bouncing about like a deer.)
I dont think it's as much an issue with people who buy WBs (although there IS undoubtedly a stereotyping problem) but the real bone of contention seems to come down to people who specifically go abroad, with their trainer and come back with something that will be professionally produced. Again though, what people do with their own money is upto them.
My current boy is hanoverian x connemara and i love him to bits. He's got nice flashy paces from his dad's side but seems to have a 5th leg and a general hardiness about him from his mum's side. I used to own a hanoverian - welsh cob cross too and he was the same... fabulous sports horse but with a bit of toughness to him!
There will always be stereotypes and there will always be people who feel an overwhelming need to buy a horse that they believe is very specific to a job. This "trend" for WBs (as Rambo pointed out), is no new thing! If anything, I'd say the trend for Spanish horses was a newer one
At the end of the day, people suit different types of horses and that should be accepted. WBs tend to be quite easy to do and do appeal to a lot of people and that should be accepted. What people do with their money is nothing to do with anybody else anyway...
There's a tendency to stereotype the horses as well as the owners. WBs are as varied as their riders.. You get the very highly strung at one end and at the other, they're so laid back they're horizontal. I've certainly had both! My first horse was a Westphalian gelding who baby sat me like crazy.. A few years later I had an oldenburg mare that was amazingly talented but absolutely psychotic (never actually *did* anything but it was one step forwards, 3 sidewards a few backwards and then a cat leap all whilst bouncing about like a deer.)
I dont think it's as much an issue with people who buy WBs (although there IS undoubtedly a stereotyping problem) but the real bone of contention seems to come down to people who specifically go abroad, with their trainer and come back with something that will be professionally produced. Again though, what people do with their own money is upto them.
My current boy is hanoverian x connemara and i love him to bits. He's got nice flashy paces from his dad's side but seems to have a 5th leg and a general hardiness about him from his mum's side. I used to own a hanoverian - welsh cob cross too and he was the same... fabulous sports horse but with a bit of toughness to him!
There will always be stereotypes and there will always be people who feel an overwhelming need to buy a horse that they believe is very specific to a job. This "trend" for WBs (as Rambo pointed out), is no new thing! If anything, I'd say the trend for Spanish horses was a newer one
serena2005
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i havent got a problem with anyone that wants to buy a warm blood, as long as its used... theres 2 fab warmbloods at my yard which are not filling their potential and yet their stupid owners are like 'hes a showjumper, he doesnt go out in the field.' none of them know how to ride them properly they school in draw reins and the horses are never working properly,
otherwise, i love warm bloods
otherwise, i love warm bloods
Agent XXX999
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Ah
you get those on every yard.. there is 2 on mine with horses that are in and never get ridden an irish and a tb. Lovely horses, completely wasted. With pickled brains
dont know why the owners dont buy themselves a rabbit a lot cheaper to own, easier to muck out and less to groom.
Tierra
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Interesting point. I strongly disagree with horses being kept in due to financial value. It doesn't really matter on how much a horse is worth - he / she doesnt know that and they all deserve to be kept in the best possible way for their own situation.
I don't think it's right, however, to complain about people who's horses you consider "wasted". What people choose to do with them is upto them.
I dont think horses stand about in their stables thinking about how they'd much sooner be out competiting and if they have a good life then again, its the owner's choice to do that. Example of this can refer back to Manitu who was mentioned earlier. Ive heard a few people recently criticise the decision to retire manitu from competition this year rather than pass him onto someone who can learn from him. I dont think he's going to stand in the field worrying about how wasted he is just because he'll be performing a different job.
Anyway, just some random thoughts
I don't think it's right, however, to complain about people who's horses you consider "wasted". What people choose to do with them is upto them.
I dont think horses stand about in their stables thinking about how they'd much sooner be out competiting and if they have a good life then again, its the owner's choice to do that. Example of this can refer back to Manitu who was mentioned earlier. Ive heard a few people recently criticise the decision to retire manitu from competition this year rather than pass him onto someone who can learn from him. I dont think he's going to stand in the field worrying about how wasted he is just because he'll be performing a different job.
Anyway, just some random thoughts
vicijp
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Havent waded through all the replys.
Isnt a warmblood the posh name for a tb crossed with something big, fat and thick?
Isnt a warmblood the posh name for a tb crossed with something big, fat and thick?
serena2005
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its so frustrating!! i just wana say JUST RIDE THE BLOODY ANIMAL STOP PRANCING AROUND!!!!
she thinks shes all big buying a horse that (at the time) was jumping 135cm classes and she changed his name and is just doing 1m! why brag about it if your not going to do it. she does the smallest canter stides in the world going up to a jump and when he does "go on a long one" shes like OH MY GOD DID U SEE HIM, he was soooooooo long" well actually he jumped it from where he was suppose to.
maybe ill suggest to her getting a rabbit.... mind youshe doesnt ride her horse for pleasure, hes got a job to do. what would the rabbit do?? lol
she thinks shes all big buying a horse that (at the time) was jumping 135cm classes and she changed his name and is just doing 1m! why brag about it if your not going to do it. she does the smallest canter stides in the world going up to a jump and when he does "go on a long one" shes like OH MY GOD DID U SEE HIM, he was soooooooo long" well actually he jumped it from where he was suppose to.
maybe ill suggest to her getting a rabbit.... mind youshe doesnt ride her horse for pleasure, hes got a job to do. what would the rabbit do?? lol
serena2005
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Havent waded through all the replys.
Isnt a warmblood the posh name for a tb crossed with something big, fat and thick?
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LMAO
and about the wasted thing... i said it wrong, i have no problem with people having horse that may be too good for them, if they enjoy them.... but she see's her self going to wembley on him, and us girls are like you just the same as us, we can all go to shows a jump british new comer, it doesnt make u a show jumper.
Havent waded through all the replys.
Isnt a warmblood the posh name for a tb crossed with something big, fat and thick?
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LMAO
and about the wasted thing... i said it wrong, i have no problem with people having horse that may be too good for them, if they enjoy them.... but she see's her self going to wembley on him, and us girls are like you just the same as us, we can all go to shows a jump british new comer, it doesnt make u a show jumper.
Agent XXX999
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Oooh Tierra - we sort of have the same point, but sort of not. The horses, IMO, are wasted because they are stuck in all day (we are a comp yard with no winter turnout) and then pulled out occasionally followed by an ear chewing from the owners about how badly behaved they were (I think they are angels considering
) This has resulted in one of the owners having a fractured scull after a rather large outburst by one of the said horses
. I rode it 5 times a week over the summer for her and it was a different animal.
IMO it is absolutely fine to have these types of horses, but they were bred to do a job, and if they are not doing a job they should be out in a field being horses. The wasting refers to buying a horse, keeping it on a competition yard and then locking it in its box because you are off kissing boys or getting drunk and hungover, and you cant be bothered to ride your horse more than once a week. That is what I meant by the term wasted just to clarify! : )
IMO it is absolutely fine to have these types of horses, but they were bred to do a job, and if they are not doing a job they should be out in a field being horses. The wasting refers to buying a horse, keeping it on a competition yard and then locking it in its box because you are off kissing boys or getting drunk and hungover, and you cant be bothered to ride your horse more than once a week. That is what I meant by the term wasted just to clarify! : )
KatB
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PMSL @ vicijp!!
dressagecrazy
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I havent been able to read the full tread either. But i am starting to wonder what this thread makes me. I have a Big young shiny WB & he is lovely.
Also a big shiny TB & a big but not so shiny as he's Grey IDxTB. Guess im not a sterotypical WB owner but i will admit to doing Dressage lol. I just buy the horse that suits me & the job i intend for it. Not one to follow trends.
Also a big shiny TB & a big but not so shiny as he's Grey IDxTB. Guess im not a sterotypical WB owner but i will admit to doing Dressage lol. I just buy the horse that suits me & the job i intend for it. Not one to follow trends.
Tierra
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Oh in which case I agree with both of you
Horses are active animals and need to be moved. There is nothing I hate more than seeing horses confined to stables all day. This an especially raw point with me at the moment since we've had unreliable turnout over christmas due to the awful weather so the horses have been kept in much more than usual. Granted, we're a full livery yard but a few of us aren't on schooling livery and in a number of circumstances, horses have been left stood in all day. Sure, the grooms have catered to the basic needs (food, mucked out etc), but they havent been worked and that drives me crazy.
I just get touchy when people say they're "wasted" because they aren't out competiting every week is all
Ignore me! I agree with you both then!
Horses are active animals and need to be moved. There is nothing I hate more than seeing horses confined to stables all day. This an especially raw point with me at the moment since we've had unreliable turnout over christmas due to the awful weather so the horses have been kept in much more than usual. Granted, we're a full livery yard but a few of us aren't on schooling livery and in a number of circumstances, horses have been left stood in all day. Sure, the grooms have catered to the basic needs (food, mucked out etc), but they havent been worked and that drives me crazy.
I just get touchy when people say they're "wasted" because they aren't out competiting every week is all
Ignore me! I agree with you both then!
serena2005
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i seriously dont understand why these horse's dont give their owners what for, they stand in all day just to go out for an hour at the most to be 'schooled' then back in the box, if they were out competeing regually then fair enough, but im going out more than her at the minute and thats saying something!! lol
serena2005
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we have fantastic turn out, our feilds are regually rotated plently of grass, new fencing, and yet they come up with some stupid reasons to why they wont turn out. the best one iv heard is ' hes not going to become a field horse!'
not_with_it
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People will always call other people.
I have a LITTLE warmblood and she is just what I like. She has the ability to do the job I want her to do. When I bought her another livery didnt speak to me and was never the same with me after. Why should I buy something I dont want just to please other people?
Most Warmbloods are bred to be allrounders and excel in certain disciplines. The stereotype that thay are all donkeys and brain dead is a complete load of tosh. Some of the warmbloods I have known have been very hot headed.
If everyone wanted the same horse then the world would be boring.
I have a LITTLE warmblood and she is just what I like. She has the ability to do the job I want her to do. When I bought her another livery didnt speak to me and was never the same with me after. Why should I buy something I dont want just to please other people?
Most Warmbloods are bred to be allrounders and excel in certain disciplines. The stereotype that thay are all donkeys and brain dead is a complete load of tosh. Some of the warmbloods I have known have been very hot headed.
If everyone wanted the same horse then the world would be boring.
Sparklet
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To be honest I dont understand what the problem is - I didnt think people specifically criticised warm-bloods above any other breed. Surely any 'type' of horse that isnt your 'type' will be inferior in your opinion otherwise you would have one!
Admitedly there are some people who wear the WB as a badge of honour but it seems that these people have been superceded by the 'imported WB' brigade. But that is more of a problem with the people than the WB.
I always call my friends WB a 'Thicky WB' and she calls my mostly TB mare a 'Veloceraptor'.....she is a bit expressive.
Admitedly there are some people who wear the WB as a badge of honour but it seems that these people have been superceded by the 'imported WB' brigade. But that is more of a problem with the people than the WB.
I always call my friends WB a 'Thicky WB' and she calls my mostly TB mare a 'Veloceraptor'.....she is a bit expressive.
dressagecrazy
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I always call my friends WB a 'Thicky WB' and she calls my mostly TB mare a 'Veloceraptor'.....she is a bit expressive.
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Love it
.Incidently my pet name for my WB is ASBO. Im sure if he where human he'd have one.
I always call my friends WB a 'Thicky WB' and she calls my mostly TB mare a 'Veloceraptor'.....she is a bit expressive.
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Love it
JoBo
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I dont get it, surely its all about having the right horse for you and your ability. Im a coloured cob person but I can appreciate a good WB even though I wouldnt want one for myself. Infact Gina (GianGem, my sister) is seriously considering getting one this year.
dieseldog
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i seriously dont understand why these horse's dont give their owners what for, they stand in all day just to go out for an hour at the most to be 'schooled' then back in the box, if they were out competeing regually then fair enough, but im going out more than her at the minute and thats saying something!! lol
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They don't give their owners what for as they are bred to do as they are told - an advantage of owning a WB.
i seriously dont understand why these horse's dont give their owners what for, they stand in all day just to go out for an hour at the most to be 'schooled' then back in the box, if they were out competeing regually then fair enough, but im going out more than her at the minute and thats saying something!! lol
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They don't give their owners what for as they are bred to do as they are told - an advantage of owning a WB.
Agent XXX999
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i seriously dont understand why these horse's dont give their owners what for, they stand in all day just to go out for an hour at the most to be 'schooled' then back in the box, if they were out competeing regually then fair enough, but im going out more than her at the minute and thats saying something!! Lol
PMSL DD!
My horse does not give me what for hurrah for WBs!
On a serious note my horse goes out every weekend somewhere or other even if it is only to the downs for a gallop..shock! HORROR! (DID I JUST ADMIT MY WB GALLOPS!)
He does not give me what for because an hours work is the minimum he gets for instance, last Saturday he got trotted round the heath (25 min circuit) followed by 25 mins flat, 10 mins jumping, back round the heath in trot and canter followed by 10 minute walk so about an hour and a half. Last Sunday we did the same with less jumping, and on Monday we (and my new years hangover) did ½ hr warm up followed by 40 mins jump schooling. Last night I was in a rush so he got lunged for 25 mins and ridden for 40
IMO his mind is occupied and he is doing enough work to satisfy him mentally and physically, and therefore does not give me what for. If I had to stop riding him, he would have to move yards or go on schooling livery, but I dont know if he would be happy turned out in a field and not being ridden like I ride him .he was out for six months last year (before I got him) due to injury and he was miserable and naughty when he got back. He just seems to really enjoy being worked? Maybe it is the way his brain has been programmed? Though I am inclined to think that it is because riding horses need to be ridden (but that is just me)
PMSL DD!
My horse does not give me what for hurrah for WBs!
On a serious note my horse goes out every weekend somewhere or other even if it is only to the downs for a gallop..shock! HORROR! (DID I JUST ADMIT MY WB GALLOPS!)
He does not give me what for because an hours work is the minimum he gets for instance, last Saturday he got trotted round the heath (25 min circuit) followed by 25 mins flat, 10 mins jumping, back round the heath in trot and canter followed by 10 minute walk so about an hour and a half. Last Sunday we did the same with less jumping, and on Monday we (and my new years hangover) did ½ hr warm up followed by 40 mins jump schooling. Last night I was in a rush so he got lunged for 25 mins and ridden for 40
IMO his mind is occupied and he is doing enough work to satisfy him mentally and physically, and therefore does not give me what for. If I had to stop riding him, he would have to move yards or go on schooling livery, but I dont know if he would be happy turned out in a field and not being ridden like I ride him .he was out for six months last year (before I got him) due to injury and he was miserable and naughty when he got back. He just seems to really enjoy being worked? Maybe it is the way his brain has been programmed? Though I am inclined to think that it is because riding horses need to be ridden (but that is just me)
Agent XXX999
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I would like to add that the common factor, when you see a nice horse at a local show or at someones yard
be it a cob, tb, hunter or a Heinz 57, and you think oooh thats a nice horse
is that it is ridden regularly, fit, and well schooled. Maybe that is just me too, but I know what I prefer!
Bex7
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Have no idea but IMHO it is not just WB stigma it seems to me that some people who have a preferred types have preformed ideas and plenty of snide comments for people with a type different theirs.
I have a stiggy hairy cob and there are also plenty of people with snide comments about that type.
I have a stiggy hairy cob and there are also plenty of people with snide comments about that type.