What kind of money is competition livery?

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ie. to have your horse evented by someone else (in the UK)? Feel free to pm if you'd rather, and also are all "extras" on top (shoeing, entries, vets, supplements?)? I'm thinking the sort of mid-range pro, not on senior teams but solid enough results on a variety of horses and good rep.
 
the pro one of our horses was with this season (consistent 4*** rider and top 10 at burghley this year) costs £50/week livery and then £15 each ride on top.

so around £120-140/week for a good 4**** rider.

all others i know are in the same sort of bracket £120-160/week (all 4**** eventers).
 
Shocked at some of the above prices quoted- how do they make any money?!!

The rider of my horse who is extremely good- trained for several years with William Fox Pitt and Pippa Funnell and has been well placed on a variety of horses up to 3 star level charges £160 a week and £60 per comp. Shoes, entries and supplements and travel extra.

Know that Bill Levett charges £200 per week and everything extra on top of that.

So generally £160 to £200 a week
 
I am amazed too, no wonder people have to run huge strings these days. And presumably these prices are inclusive of VAT? The only way I can see the possibility of having pocket money at the end of the month is if you have little or no rent/mortgage on the place where you keep the horses. When I think what my friends and family earn in desk jobs (not exactly high risk, injury-prone roles) the mind boggles.

Frodo - I'm not sure how much it would be exactly here, well there are very few professional eventers based in Belgium anyway, I can think of 2 who don't actually have another job, and then there are a couple more who run a livery yard (a normal one) and have a couple of eventers too. I will enquire how much the show-jumpers round here charge.
 
Ha, no, don't worry, don't ask, not worth the hassle. (not planning to move to Belgium, yet!).

Generally speaking though, do you really think £200 a week is that cheap? I don't know about eventing but a lot of dressage yards around here are less than that (for 6 days' training a week and everything included, often competitions are included too - depends on the person though).

I think riders in general make money selling the odd horse (or getting commissions from horses sold through them), not through livery/teaching.
 
Well £200 is the upper end of what's quoted, that sounds better, but the ones charging £120...
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, that's what normal livery yards charge round here (admittedly 20 mins from central brussels with a huge forest to ride in), without any riding or exercising of your horse in the price.
 
Our full livery is 350 euro per month,incl 2 x food, 2 x hay, 6 x mucking out p/w,plus use of all facilities and all year turnout. 500 euro per month for comp livery ridden by 'yours truly' incl travel to int/ nat shows but not incl entries,vet,blacksmith.
About average for round here I think? (we have fantastic facilities too!)
 
Maybe I'm banging on a bit here but lets say you ride your comp liveries 20 hours per month, that means you earn 7.5 euros per hour - (500-350=150, divide 150 by 20=7.5), that's less than the minimum wage and YOU'RE REALLY GOOD! ps. at those rates William may well be coming for sj boot camp chez arenberg.
 
I also wonder how anyone makes any money at those sorts of prices..

But i can better that, i know of a pro down here (he's pro in that it's his businness, but he's not at all known, and never completed an advanced, although does very well PAVO etc.).
he charges £85 pw i think (althoug the yard is a bit of a sh!t hole)..
Another friend charges £120 a week...

For the simple answer, that people just don't want to pay any more..

A years livery, at £120pw, is £6240, quite a chunk in a yearly wage..

A reasonably livery of £200pw, ie one that covers costs and makes you a bit of money on top, would cost the owner £10400 a year.. alot alot alot of money..
 
My local decent full livery yard (not a well known person running it, plaiting, etc on top) is £130 - £150 a week and is fairly full.....
 
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