What monster vehicle would legally tow this please?

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Ifor Williams 511 with 16hh half shire/half Irish full up cob gelding and 15hh Irish cob mare?

My guess is that horse 1 weighs three quarters of a tonne and horse 2 half a tonne

Is there anything man enough for the job please that'll have an 85% kerb weight for pulling approx 2300kg or will it only be a lorry?

Thanks
 
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Achinghips said:
Ifor Williams 511 with 16hh half shire/half Irish full up cob gelding and 15hh Irish cob mare?

My guess is that horse 1 weighs three quarters of a tonne and horse 2 half a tonne

Is there anything man enough for the job please or will it only be a lorry?

Thanks
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My landrover discovery pulled an 850 kg 17.2 hh ID and a 600 kg 16 hh warmblood in a 510. Slowed a little up the hills, but fine apart from that.
 
My Disco would do it easily. It doesn't even notice when I have two large horses and my 510.

It is automatic though which I find makes it easier.
 
You can't legally tow over 3.5 tonnes with anything. So if trailer plus two horses weighs more than that it can't be done. Don't forget this weight includes you, hay, water etc. Don't know how much a 511 weighs so assume about a tonne?

If you want something which tows 3.5 tonnes you're looking at a Disco, a big Shogun or a big Landcruiser. I think really they'd be the only things that would be up to the job.
 
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My Shogun could tow that. I took the 16hh mare in my siggie (weightapes 605kgs) and a 15hh hw cob in my Bateson (around 900kg). Went up and down hills without any struggle.
 
Dont know, but its legal. It comes in well inside the 3.5 Tonne Gross Weight Limit for the Discovery.

I think the trailer weights about a tonne so that gives you 2.5 tonnes of horses. So thats fine for the car.

Not sure what the gross weight on an IW 510/511 is though. You might be overweight on the trailer gross weight even though the car is OK.
 
we tow an ifor510, irish draught cross and welsh cob with our disco with no problems. seems like a similar weight to yours.
 
You'd be safe with a proper 4 x4 like a disco, defender, patrol, shogun, trooper... I could only just about get away with it in my patrol auto. Be sure you are legal on your licence...
 
OK thanks - it's the kerb weight which is the real bugger for all of those mentioned so far - apart from the tractor!
 
I've just been out and looked at the plate on the back of my shogun and it says the gross trailer weight is 3300kgs. So you'd be easily under
 
older jeep cherokee will also tow 3.5 tonnes - double check the exact car towing limits on something like autotrader as they differ with model and year etc.

Have to say though my bmw x5 is better at towing than the jeep (which was good) doesnt even feel the hills with one horse in equitrek (total weight prob not far off 2 tonnes with over 1130 unladen for equitrek and 600 horse, tack, water etc in trailer)and weirdly the bmw x5 can only tow max 2.7 tonnes !
 
Achinghips said:
Are both within 85% of kerb weight?
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Sorry not sure what you are on about!!!??? someone has given you some bovine scatter about towing !!!!! asuming you have a pre 1997 car licence or you took a test to get B+E then what you need to look at is the total weight of trailer and load say 2500kg a discovery or jeep,shogun or most 4x4 pick ups etc are rated to tow 2700-3500 kg so would match the load you want to tow......... 85% is some drivel from the caravan club if you have a beard or knit yogurt and cant reverse or drive at a reasonable speed ,and are seen as a moron by the rest of humanity it might apply to you :D otherwise not!!!!!
Right if thats ok im off to mumsnet for some advise about fencing!!!!
 
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perfect11s said:
Sorry not sure what you are on about!!!??? someone has given you some bovine scatter about towing !!!!! asuming you have a pre 1997 car licence or you took a test to get B+E then what you need to look at is the total weight of trailer and load say 2500kg a discovery or jeep,shogun or most 4x4 pick ups etc are rated to tow 2700-3500 kg so would match the load you want to tow......... 85% is some drivel from the caravan club if you have a beard or knit yogurt and cant reverse or drive at a reasonable speed ,and are seen as a moron by the rest of humanity it might apply to you :D otherwise not!!!!!
Right if thats ok im off to mumsnet for some advise about fencing!!!!
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ROTFL :D :D :D
 
5horses2dogsandacat said:
A tank.....

:D



Seriously though.... Land Rover - Defender/Dico/Range Rover are all 3 ton limits

Ford Ranger is also a 3 tonner, funnily enough I was having this talk with my dad this morning about weight limits and he seems to think the new Ford Ranger can legally pull 3.4tons.. not gospel though

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Yes your dad is almost right its a usefull 3350kg
been looking at them !!! not going to sign another finance agreement so will be waiting a couple of years :D, they look very good the old one wasnt a bad little truck but this new one looks like its going to be the one to have ......
 
rockysmum said:
Not sure what the gross weight on an IW 510/511 is though. You might be overweight on the trailer gross weight even though the car is OK.
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1k kg unladen and 2700 kg gross... I've been window shopping for trailers lately and have copious notes on my desk... :rolleyes: :D

1.7 tonne isn't a mahoosive amount to play with for two biggies plus the hay, water and anything else that can't be thrown in the car...
 
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Just ordered the new ford ranger wildtrack which will tow 3350kg. We get it in June :) went for this as had much better towing capacity than the other trucks.
 
Achinghips said:
OK thanks - it's the kerb weight which is the real bugger for all of those mentioned so far - apart from the tractor!
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What is this fascination with kerb weight when towing a horsebox??!!

Perhaps I should explain that the recommended 85% of kerb weight is only for caravans and even then the kerb weight is only used as it is a constant because what is actually recommended is 85% of the towing vehicle weight

There are now many vehicles on the market which are designed to tow well above their own weight be that the kerb or the GVW
 
Nothing useful about specific cars to add, but just marvelling again at cultural differences between UK and NA...my instinct was still to say "get a pickup truck, you guys are nuts pulling big full trailers with 4x4s"! :D
 
ROG said:
What is this fascination with kerb weight when towing a horsebox??!!

Perhaps I should explain that the recommended 85% of kerb weight is only for caravans and even then the kerb weight is only used as it is a constant because what is actually recommended is 85% of the towing vehicle weight

There are now many vehicles on the market which are designed to tow well above their own weight be that the kerb or the GVW
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Thankyou Rog for a sensible answer to my question - now I'm off to shave my she-beard!
 
My isuzu trooper is a SWB 3 litre TD OHCD and it has a towing caparity of either 3500 or 3300. Cant remember which but that was the reason i got it as without buying a tank or something with a huge engine troopers are about the only thing that will tow that sort of weight. i tow an new Ifor and a 17.2 and a 16.2 and we dont really notice it. slows a bit on hills but thats it.
 
Jeep fan. Will be looking to replace with a LWB shortly but mine has been brilliant. The whole 85% has been well raked over but I chose to have it in mind as a guideline. Jeeps are a good price too!
 
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