What paracite ........ ?

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Had the vet out to do vaccs today and asked her to look at this on my 2 year old's lip....

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The vet said it was caused by a paracite which lives in the grass and the circular mark can be cleared up using a cream which needs to be applied for several days running.

I asked the vet what this paracite was and she wouldn't or couldn't say. Maybe she'd forgot the name? She just reiterated that it was a paracite which lived in grass and could infect a horse's mouth whilst it grazed. She said she'd seen one other horse this summer with the same thing, and that the cream she'd post on to me would sort it out. I do still feel none the wiser though
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I'm left wondering what on earth this paracite is and what the cream is, that will clear it up. I've kept horses 40 years and have never heard of one of these before. Know about bot fly larvae, of course, but the vet said these weren't the cause of this problem in my filly. Very mysterious.....
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Anyone know what paracite my vet is describing? I'd love to know more about it.
 
I thought it was a bot fly that caused lesions like that, I have an exact same picture in one of my vet books at home. ...............hmmm
 
Have to say that two of mine have had this previously but it was nothing to do with a paracite it was caused by eating the tops of too many thistles !
 
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I thought it was a bot fly that caused lesions like that, I have an exact same picture in one of my vet books at home. ...............hmmm

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Yes, quite so. That's what I thought. But when I asked if that's what it was the vet was adamant it wasn't. And surely a vet would be familiar with bot flies and their life cycle and what the sores look like? Well, I'd hope so from an equine practice. So, I really am mystified. If it's NOT a bot exit point, what else could it be? I've wracked my brains and searched online and can't find anything....

And what's the cream that will kill it and heal the wound up??? I'm dying to know
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I thought it was a bot that had gotten lost so to speak, ie it has come back out to the outside rather heading towards the digestive system. (hence why not normal exit point or time for exit)

am slightly concerned about your vet if they couldn't say what else it was

I am trying to find similar pic cos its really annoying me...........*wanders up to vet school library!*
 
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Have to say that two of mine have had this previously but it was nothing to do with a paracite it was caused by eating the tops of too many thistles !

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Well, there weren't any thistles or pricklies in the paddock she was grazing in so I doubts it's that, this time. The mark isn't healing up by itself. It's staying the same in size and look. If it had started to clear up I might have thought it was a rub or an allergy to something in the paddock, but it was because it wasn't getting any better after 10+ days that I mentioned it to the vet when she came out this morning.
 
Just did a google search and found this pic; http://www.ecmagazine.net/ecSummer06/ecsumwebphotos/summersore8525.jpg

and this (American) explanation

It is fly larvae that has infiltrated the skin and it can get much worse if not treated promptly and properly. If you suspect it is summer sores you should apply ivermectrin wormer paste 'topically' on the sores to kill the infecting larvae on contact and you should dose the horse 'orally' with ivermectrin. The sores will dry up and heal within 10 to 14 days and to prevent summer sores you should dose the horse 'orally' once a month with ivermectrin until fly season ends. Oral dosing monthly during fly season will kill the fly larvae when it enters the skin. Even the best fly control efforts, applying fly spray, using sticky fly tapes in the barn, and using fly traps outdoors cannot prevent an occasional summer sore infestation.
 
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I thought it was a bot that had gotten lost so to speak, ie it has come back out to the outside rather heading towards the digestive system. (hence why not normal exit point or time for exit)

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Yes! I posted the same photo on the forum last week querying what people thought it was, and concluded that it was prbably a bot exit point but I couldn't find any photos online of what those look like on the lip area.

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...am slightly concerned about your vet if they couldn't say what else it was

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Me too! Even if the cream she sends on works, I am still none the wiser about what it is I am treating or what it is my filly has had. Guess I can always telephone the practice and ask, if I really have to.

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I am trying to find similar pic cos its really annoying me...........*wanders up to vet school library!*

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Aaah, that would be brilliant if you could find a photo. As I say, I've searched online for a photo of a lip exit point but without any success.

Q: Out of interest, if it WAS a bot exit point would it be treated with a topical cream for several days? Would that be the correct treatment.

I've wormed the filly with Pramox as soon as she arrived home from stud 10 days ago.
 
I have seen this on several horses over the years. Must say dont know what causes it, but it always heals up and disappears on its own. Do think its often seasonal though. (Never seen it in winter).
 
Yes, read that article myself. Wasn't sure whether that paracite was relevant to UK though? Sure I read somewhere about its distribution and the UK wasn't on the list. That said, with global warming trends being what they are, who knows what's likely to spread further afield. If I am wrong about that, let me know. Can't remember where I read it so can't be sure whether I am right about it not being a paracite which infects horses over here in the UK.
 
I would have thought the pramox would have dealt with it whatever it is......

whats the cream

ps I am not a vet just based here!
 
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ps I am not a vet just based here!

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Yeah, but it must be great to have access to all that literature though.
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I haven't a clue what the cream is, the vet intends to send me. Will let you know if it's anything interesting.

If it's an Invermectin based product I'll positively scream. I may as well use Eqvalan applied topically if that's the case. Expect that would be considerably cheaper than anything the vet might send me in a small tube
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Infact, I shall be quite cross if it is something as simple as that. I'd appreciate simply being told what needed to be applied so I that could use one of the products I already have in my tack room.
 
ok I have just found pretty much exact pic in my home book complete equine veterinary manual by parvord

'an odd ciruclar lesion that is probaly caused by the larvae of hte rare bot fly G haemorrhoidalis entering the lip'

off to google to see if we have it here
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I cannot think of any other parasite that would cause it the only other one invasive like that likes ligaments I thought.
 
When the cream arrives it will say what it teats, no doubt it will be more than one thing, but it may give you something to look up to compare.
 
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ok I have just found pretty much exact pic in my home book complete equine veterinary manual by parvord

'an odd ciruclar lesion that is probaly caused by the larvae of the rare bot fly G haemorrhoidalis entering the lip'

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I wonder if this is significant? I noticed my filly 'sneezing' almost constantly when I visited her at the stud back along. It was so excessive that I thought she must have an allergy to my deodorant or something, and I made a mental note to not wear any when I went to collect her. It was difficult to do anything with her as she was sneezing 3 or 4 times every minute.

I bred both the filly and her dam, and have wormed both of them right from birth. Very regularly, and with bot erradicating medication most of the time. I use Equest Plus Tape (Moxidectin and Praziquantel), Equimax (Abamectin and praziquantel), Strategy-T (oxfendazole and pyrantel embonate) and Equimax LV (Ivermectin and Praziquantel). Plus I keep the filly in a fly rug and face mask, and remove any bot eggs from her legs daily with the bot knife when she's at home! Just my luck that she STILL manages to get invaded by the offspring of a flying pest in the 3 months spent away from home
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Still, if it is the above, why would the vet describe it as something that lives in the grass? Think I am going to have the telephone the practice and ask!
 
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