What quirk in horse will you not

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put up with..........

If you have a very talent horse and excels your area BUT has a quirk

At what point would you say enough is enough and would you try almost anything to help issue???

Mine would be rearing so much that i was in danger of having horse fall backwards on top of me.
 
Big rears on a regular basis or without a logical explanation would put me off too. Alo not a fan of big bucks whilst cantering or after fences.
 
Def rearing, can't stand it unless there is a reason! Bucking doesn't bother me so much, so long as then don't screw their bodies too much!!
ETS: Oh yes...and naughty dangerous napping!!
 
I think mine would have to be any type of viciousness - that could translate into aiming to kick/bite you repeatedly to hurt, aggressively charging you in the field, bucking/rearing with the aim of getting you off and then trampling you..........but then are these many different quirks when I'm supposed to be picking just one?

I just like to be able to get on with my horses and to have mutual trust and respect - I know this has to be worked at sometime, but I've had dealings with one or two in my life time who I just didn't think were worth the ground they stood on however high they could jump!!
 
ooo they make me laugh, it's when they wiggle drop head and then go for those i'm getting you off bucks - grrr not asmused but normal haved cope ish
 
i once said that i would never put up with a horse that rears, as i too would consider that dangerous.

however, i aquired a mare a year ago that napped, reared up vertically, spun, fly bucked....in fact, i think she probably had as many quirks as you could have!! She is hugely talented though and a real sweety on the ground - Im glad i put up with all that as now she is a real angel. yes, she will have the occasional nap but her feet barely leave the ground, she gets a whollop and doesnt do it again.

I dont think anything would bother me much now if they were talented - i'd just try and ride through it
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It depends why they are quirky, if it is because they are using it as an excuse to nap and they are just not interested in the job, then I wouldn't put up with anything.

However my current horse is very 'special' but she makes up for it the moment she goes in the ring. I put up with everything as I know that she does want to do the job.
 
i think most horses can be gently and patiently convinced to drop their bad behaviour, i've cope with all sorts and turned them round. my big wb used to stand up all the time and buck for britain, and now i can put a beginner on him. there's no quirk i won't put up with, but... one caveat...
the only one i've ever given up on was a mare i bought unseen (never a great idea, obv) who had been completely "turned" by the time she got to me from Ireland. she would just explode for no reason at all, rear, land, buck like stink, twist, rear again... squealing in temper the whole time. she only had me off the first time, but the performance was the same every time. even if i sat like a total passive passenger (while trying to work out what wouldn't set her off!), she'd take me straight out of the school into the yard, and then relax - she obviously associated the school and being ridden with total horrors. i'd get the odd nice bit, but then she'd have a flashback and explode in the middle of a 20m trot circle or something, when i'd done absolutely nothing at all to instigate it.
tbh she felt very very dangerous, and i decided that if she couldn't cope with the few tiny questions i was asking at home at that stage, then competing would ask a million more questions than she would cope with. it just wasn't worth the risk any more, to either of us.
so, my only no-no is one like that which feels truly dangerous and obviously detests being ridden.
 
Oh dear!!!! No one would want my horse then!!! When he gets frustrated or anxious etc....... yup he rears and yup on occasions full ones...you just have to sit forward and go with the flow...luckily it is not often and normally only half rears but I think at least he knows how to use his rear end.....tis up to me to direct it in the right direction!!!!!!

I think the worse quirk would be one that wants to get down and roll.... could you just imagine it..... down the centre line halt.... ROLL!!!! LOL !! That or a horse that has become very aggressive/grumpy all the time..... for one reason or another......I know normally human error.....horses are normally my "mates" so would hate that... in my opinion anyways!!
 
I would never cope with a horse that kicked. The odd little try on I can cope with but not a confirmed kicker.

The only other horse i've had I truely couldn't abide, (not even to have around) was a horrible mare because she mainly wanted to kill me - well it felt like it!! She regularly tried (and sometimes suceeded) into dumping me onto the outdoor school fence, which hurts!! She detested me, hated any work and didn't have a generous bone in her body.

Napping I can cope with, bucking - not great, but okay, rearing okay but not one that repeatedly stands up and is so stupid it would come over. Thats happened to me too, but he was still not as bad as that awful mare!
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Actually I tolerate anything that still has a sense of self preservation. Rearing and bucking doesn't panic me, and in response to an above post re : Rolling I had a mare that would lie down ( very tricky evasion to get out of!), but there is a difference between a precocious horse, with talent, pushing the boundaries, and something that has a blatant disrespect for its own safety. Ie: Repeatedly tips over backwards, blind bolting ( I don't mean being tanked off with- proper bolting with no regard for its own safety). That I wont put up with.
 
Must admit, when i first got my girly she did a couple of vertical rears included within her napping..but i worked through it.
I had a couple of lessons with Bill Levitt (sp?) and he said for every time she reared to pull her on one rein, she eventually found it too hard to rear and now doesn't do it at all.
As for the napping..shes growing out of it i'm glad to say, but the battle i'm sure will begin at the first xc fence at our events like last year, but i'm looking on the bright side cause each time i've taken her she has got better.
 
I'm with smerls on the self-preservation point: if they're turning themselves inside out whilst still managing not to fall over/impale themselves on a gate post/go through the arena fence, then there must be a way of getting through to them or reasoning with them (imho!) I can only think of two that have really scared me: one bolted with my through our village at school run time (ignorant pig that had been spoilt by his owner from birth and thought the world revolved around him!) - the other I evented, but would run through your hand, hit the fence really hard, fall (sometimes) and still get up and do the same thing again. Thankfully neither of those belonged to me.
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As for the napping..shes growing out of it i'm glad to say, but the battle i'm sure will begin at the first xc fence at our events like last year, but i'm looking on the bright side cause each time i've taken her she has got better.

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Gosh - reminds me so much of the beginning of the season!! I simply couldnt get out the start box without madame napping for england!! We had quite a few episodes of hesitantly leaving the box, eyeing up the first fence, spooking, rearing, spinning on a six pence and attempting to bolt back towards the start box...
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I nearly fell off at South of England before even reaching the first jump - I ended up doing the first few jumps minus any stirrups shouting at the top of my voice determined that she WOULD jump. Twesledown, she reared so high that I ended up with a nose bleed and my friend watching thought she was goig over backwards
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thankfully, we managed to iron out this problem, and *touch wood* havent had any tantrums since!!
 
I dont mind any quirks; but what I do mind is a complete lack of self presevation. For example- just trying to run through fences or hedges as though they are just not there. Or Continually rearing up and landing on top of fences and getting tangled up in them. Or continually rearing up and over backwards several times over.
I dont mind if they do things like this once, or twice....perhaps a third time...but if they dont stop doing it after that, then....
 
oh gosh yes, horses that don't learn from their mistakes!
i had a really sweet horse to event for some lovely owners. he was terrified of jumping, although he'd somehow gone clear PN with previous rider. took him xc schooling and came to a half-coffin. he ballooned the ditch as if it had a dragon in it, totally ignored my aids, tried to get 2 strides in short 1-stride distance to an upright palisade and nearly took it out by the roots. how we stayed upright i have no idea, i strangled his ears and all i could see was grass. got back in the plate, jumped a little fence, came back around to the half-coffin... and he did EXACTLY the same thing again. i couldn't believe any horse could be that stupid, every other horse i've ever ridden has learnt from its mistakes.
at this point i told the owners that he really wasn't safe at all and he was going to kill himself and possibly his rider, and he should be a hack and have a nice stress-free life. thank the lord they agreed with me.
 
rearing to the point of being dangerous and for no obvious pain or reactive reason! Also hate bad loaders but will work with them to a point if i can see light!!
 
A horse thats bad to handle, it can be a complete fruitcake to ride but has to be nice to handle, one of my stepdaughters has Downs syndrome and I have never had a horse or pony that I couldnt trust with her. She likes to groom and faff about so if they tolerate that I can forgive them anything. I have had some proper nutters, but only one really scared me wen it bolted as I got on for no reason, it was heading for a brick wall when I baled out. Told the owner to have it PTS but he took it to unwarranted sale??
 
QR : What a scarey read this post is.....I wonder how many of these complete no-hopers were put down.....and how many sold on? (Not getting at anyone in particular....just makes me nervous for the next time I am looking.....I guess they would be "not a novice ride" ; - ) )
 
I don't mind any quirk as long as they are not sufficiently extreme to make them dangerous to hack out.

Could not live with a horse that wasn't safe outside an enclosed area. It would drive me nuts!

So bucking, rearing, spinning, napping are all fine with me as long as they don't land me on the floor too regularly or threaten to put me under a bus!
 
Yeah, big rears regularily would make me want to seek some proper help. Or also bolting. Although, saying that one of mine developed a fear of cows (only out on hacks when alone though...!) and bolted with me 3 times until I said no more hacking! This isn't an issue for me because I don't care about hacking - its not what I have him for. He's for competing and he does that very well so Im happy to live with it. I think if it was something I needed them to do and the "quirk" was effecting that then Id seek help. I couldn't put up with a horse who didn't have the attitude to jump, I had one who would jump one day and then refuse the first fence the next - couldn't have that again.

Basically if its something I can get round - ie. not have to put them in the situation when they do whatever the bad thing is (ie. rear etc.) then I'll put up with it!
 
Own a rearer (mentioned before in a post) and yes he has fallen backwards and almost had me, luckily I escaped with fractured clavicle and a few bruises. He is perfect most the time but was a nightmare when I first brought him. We only manage one or two really good rears a year now!

I can't stand bolters, have no problem with being out of control in one place but bolters, been there done that and not for me.

My other boy is a little strange also (quirky!) he will drop to the ground when saddled - everthing been checked, its just something he learned in his former racing career, but will stand perfectly still for mounting and works beautifuly. Also he leaps from the botom of the lorry ramp to the top (best approched at a forward going walk!) its quite spectacular......Who'd have ex race horses hey
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