What Should I Do?

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Morning All,

Before I begin to explain my predicament, I thank you in advance for reading what is about to follow, it is somewhat of an epic...! I feel that you should be in full possession of the facts before I prevail upon you for advice.

My sister-in-law (who I will call "Jill") has a 4yo Welsh Sec A. X and a 6yo Clydesdale X, which she has owned for about three years, and bought for her. They are kept in a paddock on her Dad's land, but she has just moved out of her parental home to live with a Uni chum (she is in her final year of study) in a town 10 miles away. They have access also, to a stable.

Jill does not come from horsey parents, though her father spent his early years living on a farm. Her parents are somewhat indulgent and until very recently were easily swayed by anything she said. This meant that she can convince them quite easily of things, namely when it comes to the care of her horses. This means that they horses in question have gone about four months with no farrier, are never wormed and have their vaccinations out of date because Jill has informed them that worming is a waste of time and money, they don't need to be vaccinated and the farrier.... well, you get the picture.

They are not visited upon daily, so if they were to fall ill or suffer an injury, she would not notice. I don't think that they have even seen a grooming kit for the best part of a year and their stables will go for a week without being mucked out (or even skipped out), resulting in the horse and the pony standing fetlock-deep in their own you-know-what.
They are not handled and have not been in all the time she has had them. When she attempts to do anything with them (in a rather heavy-handed fashion) they are fearful of her or are naughty. Neither are backed.

However, During the recent spell of unfortunate weather we have been forced to endure, my husband and his father have been taking the horses in at night and turning them out in the morning this past week, before they start their work for the day. They and Jill's mother hay and water the horses, but have not the time to muck them out (Jill was duly told she would have to do this upon her return from work each night - she has not).

Jill claims she has not the time to attend them. When she is on placement, she starts work at 9 each morning and finishes at 5. When she is not on placement, her lectures are few and far between and she has not the need to work, as her rent etc. is paid by her parents. I understand that University study can be stressful and take up alot of time, but I feel that this is a poor excuse for her neglect of these horses. I have worked in hotels, night shifts, 6am early starts at Tesco all last winter and only passed my driving test last April (I am 22yo). I have rarely had fewer than 2 jobs at any one time, but have always found time for my horses to be visited on and managed properly twice a day; and for my mother's at the weekends, too.

I find myself having an inner battle. I will not see the horses suffer, so whenever I am at their house, will muck out, feed, groom etc. But at the same time, it is not my responsibility, nor anyone else's to do so. If I hadn't the time or resources to keep my horses, I (like many others) would be forced to sell them. She does not appreciate them, nor does she know how to care for them. And yet she still has them.

I take no issue with people of a non-horsey background keeping horses.

I have kept horses almost my whole life. I come from a horse / military background and have sat BHS examinations and went to college to sit Equine Studies. I have also had several jobs on busy riding schools over the years. Thus, I believe I have a fairly firm grip on the care and schooling of horses.

What should I do? Should I stress my belief that she should not have them? Or steer clear? I think that they should be sold, to someone who would appreciate them, before it is too late and they are ruined.
 
What you should do is tell your Husband that the horses needs must be met. This includes worming, and a farrier trim. They don't need vaccinations (many people, including myself don't bother - except for tetanus).

Your husband should also have a sit down and frank chat with his parents about the horses futures. They are not worth any money, so be careful where they are sold.

The daughter clearly isn't going to do the job, so unfortunately someone has to do it for her.

It takes two minutes to muck out (so can't see why no one has time to do it - bottom line is someone has to).
 
I know a few horses and complete herds which are looked at only sporadically. Most of these are Gypsy cobs.

Looking after the water at least every second day would be nice. Trimming the hooves from time to time, too. Worming might be the next item on the list of desireable things. All the rest is not really necessary in my opinion.

When we drive to the yard twice a day we see lots of horses on wasteland directly adajcent to a busy road and no fence or anything else in between or horses munching grass in the middle of a roundabout, freely moving and not tethered.

So, I think horses living in a field with some sort of more or less proper fence are already privileged.

When you say "they will be ruined" that means that they have been riding horses?

Most of the horses I am taking about are kept simply for reproduction and are unbroken in their majority. So, mainly indisciplined and unruly ponies and Gipsies ...
 
Thank you, amymay.
Indeed mucking out takes no time at all, but unfortunately, there is a great deal of tension over this matter in the family and I think that this is the line that has been drawn...
I would do it if I was there everyday, but unfortunately I am not.
I will suggest that they talk about it together. It will only be in the horses best interest, in the end of the day. And it is not really my place to comment.

If the post sounds a bit mean, I must apologise, as the topic makes me rather uptight!
 
I think I may have used the term "ruined" in the wrong context... I wanted to convey my concern that neglect or illness would ruin them and the potential for them to ever be appreciated.
 
My goodness what a pickle. Could you get one of the BHS books on basic horse keeping (my first horse) and give it to in-laws to read? Standing in feltlock dung could and can as I sure you know cause thrush. Lack of feed and water would be a welfare issue as of would the lack of the farrier. You could contact one of the horse welfare people and ask them to have a chat. I feel for you it is a very difficult situation for you to be in. The last thing that you need is to end up with two more horses to care for.
 
Hello HappyElf... a pickle indeed!
It is funny you should say that, as last year, for her birthday, I gave her the BHS Stable Management Manual.
I will suggest that her parents read it... or leave it strategically on the kitchen table...!
It is a bit tricky and though I do care about them, as you say, I really do not wish to take them on myself as I haven't the resources for two more!
 
I guess if you had the time which I doubt you have having two jobs and your own horses it would be hard. But you could say I will take on doing the horses and it costs will be £xxx per horse per week. Hard work for you but don't fall into the trap of doing them for the sake of the horses. They would of have to provide the bedding and feed. Booking the farrier and worming them at there expense. If possible have the farrier to have word with the parents when he is there pointing out the need for regular care of the hoof.
 
I'd talk to your husband and tell him that its on your mind and troubling you. And that whilst you won't be going to the RSPCA/Rescues you can't sit by and let this continute. He might be feeling the same deep down but not wanting to say it? I'm sure if he has a word with his parents a lot of concerns will come to light.

Good luck :)
 
Turn them out, as long as there is shelter and grass and hay they will survive, moving will trim their feet down, kept in a stable will not and they need to be mucked out. You could get her father to buy 2 equest pramox and worm there for her this will cover all, but usually when horses do not get in contact with others their worm burden is far less. I would say she has lost intesest but might get it back if you encourage her to join in with the horses keep, even just watching them in the field, make it fun, make it enjoyable. Oh forgot she is moving well then get them out in the field.
 
Thank you all for your advice and for the time you took to read the essay that was the post.

I do not feel that there is anything else I can do now, but for courtesy, I will tell you the result of my intervention.

I spoke to my husband about the matter, my feelings on it and the things that really need to be done for the horses. He came with me to speak to his parents, who listened and agreed that something needs to be done.

Unfortunately, when the three sat down to talk to Jill about it, she did not take well to what was an ultimately well-meant conversation.

She responded to their legitimate concerns with a foul temper and something along the lines of "I don't want anyone going anywhere near my horses because none of you know what you are doing. Just leave them in the field and if I want something done with them, I will tell you what to do".

Thus, they were turned out with no rugs on and their water bucket half empty and frozen. The stables have not been touched, the farrier will not be called and she maintains the claim that the vet told her not to worm them.
 
Call the RSPCA.. they will leave a card, if they don't speak to anyone when they inspect. The card advises the recipient to telephone and speak to an inspector. This does tend to focus the mind.

Shame that you are caught up and I understand how you feel, its hard to see any animal neglected. Poor you and poor horses.

Best of luck
 
She sounds like a spoiled brat and her parents need to man up. Insists that she faces up to her responsibilities. Any more tantrums and not turning up, and they will be sold.

If the horses had proper shelter, hay and water arranged, they would do fine. The farrier needs to come, but if they are on a big enough pasture without any other horses, they probably would be fine without worming as well as injections.
 
Her parents should present her with a bill for grass keep/livery and their time! Sounds totally spoiled and the parents need to sort it out, they are kept on their land so they have a say. Personally, i would leave a draft advert lying around when she comes over.
 
After reading your up date.
I agree she sounds like a bratt.
As others have said her patents need to man up and make her look after them properly.
I still think Columbus rspca will helpa chat should shame her into looking after them or make her realise she should sell them.
 
Report her to the authorities, ideally WHW or BHS rather than RSPCA. Either she is a genuinely cruel and neglectful person who needs to be stopped or she will get a big shock and a bit of education that will make her buck her ideas up.

Has she got some sort of mental health issue? She sounds bonkers?

If she doesn't want to care for them and won't let anyone else then she should sell or destroy the horses, it is kinder than neglect.

It might be worth you speaking to her separately and saying "I know you don't want your parents or brother dealing with your horses as they don't really know much about horses but I've had my own for years, how about if I helped you out a bit?" If she gets mad about that then forget the sympathy and report her before she buys a dozen more.
 
Agreed with reporting her now. You've done all you can and there's no point trying to tiptoe around it any more.
Also, check the law on abandonment. I read about it somewhere earlier this year as something can be done under certain circumstances (Law may be different in Scotland as in England though, so keep yourself right).
 
If you are concerned about the repercussions if the authorities stepped in, as she would guess someone close by had called them, pm me the address and i will call for you. I am a paid up member of the RSPCA and a donations collector for WHW. I know it can be difficult but you also want to do what is best for the animals. Good luck either way.
 
Yesterday afternoon, I contacted the BHS welfare department, who advised that she would most likely know that it was a family member who reported her as the horses are kept on private land, that her parents have a degree of duty of care as they are the land owners and that the best way forwards would perhaps be to arrange a BHS Welfare Officer to visit and talk to her about the issues at hand. Unfortunately, there are no welfare officers in our area, so this morning I plan to contact the WHW in the same ilk.
 
hello there, i am actually in a sinilar situation myself with a friend but maybe not quite to the extreme of yours. but i find even that troubling. i think that you either need to offer to take the horses off of her hands (by the sounds of things she would be more than happy to get rid of them) if this is not possible either you or someone close to her needs to have a very serioud chat with her and if she doesnt step up to the mark immediately i would conatct the RSPCA, its an absolute disgrace to keep aniamals in the condition you are describing and there is no excuse. I myself run two businesses have three dogs (who get walked twice a day every day) a horse who gets mucked out twice a day, a house to run and a family, so like yourself i am very busy, but i seriously thought about it before a got any of my animals and made sure that there welfare would never suffer, as a result its the house work or social life that take a back seat after my pets. your sister in law sounds like a selfish spoiled brat who is used to doing and getting what ever she wants and to hell with everyone and everything else. i feel really sorry for you because you sound like a nice person who is in a difficult position. but someone needs to stand up for the horses because they arent capable of doing it themselves.

p.s she is lucky i am not her sister in law!

hope everything works out for you
 
This girl has enslaved her parents and has now managed to enslave you two as well. It's the parents that need to pull their britches up and an adult conversation with them may be needed. These horses need a home where they can be loved, better cared for and have a useful place in life. They have none of this. (sorry, despite your efforts) They are headed right for the knacker or euthanization due to her ignorance. I would call in a vet and farrier and sell them to good homes. I wouldn't even bother to tell her, like she never bothered to acknowledge the horses. Time for a very important lesson in life to be taught to this girl....its been a long time coming and its time to get real. The parents need to set their chins and do right by the horses and deal out some tough love they should have done a long time ago. It would be the best thing that ever happened to her. If you can't get the parents to set their chins, then make the call. Its about the horses, nobody else.
 
Sounds like a right spoilt little princess, wants her horses but doesn't want the work involved in keeping them, tell her parents to give them to someone that deserves them that'll learn her ;) hope u can sort it all out.x
 
What a brat ok so you have tried talking to her I would contact RSPCA they usually will send someone out and will write up a report on what needs doing then they will come out a couple of weeks later to check its all been done
Perhaps show her this tread so see can see other people's opinions of what a spoilt brat she is :eek:
 
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