What the hell is wrong with me? *long*

ahh well if there is nothign wrong then as you say it sounds like training is the way forward!
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Is it just you that rides her? also, it may sound like a really stupid question but..... is there a trigger when she rears? as in can you think of a similarity from each time she rears that could be worth working on?

If she is also an abused exracer her mind is probably a bit here there and everywhere any way! (but then again im a big chunky ID/WB kinda girl!
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But just remmeber (from OP) it does not look like something YOU are doing! as you say its a habit she has, and its gonna be working to avoid/overcome whatever is causing it!
 
Wow, you are one hell of a rider. Well done. Are you not worried for your safety riding this horse. No wonder you were nervous getting back on her. I was talking to my trainer about rearing the other day. He said he has a horse that he gives demos on, on how to cure rearing. He said this horse leaps up as well as going up vertical. Can you find a trainer who can help you. I would be petrified on riding that horse. its such a shame as she is stunning and wow - what photos.
 
lucy, i have thought about loads and i can't figure it out the only thing i can string together is its when she has had enough or doesn't want to do it. i could jump her tomorrow and she would be fine then do it again next week and she will be a complete bitch. there is no patten to it and its not just jumping.

oh and just to prove what i mean this was the week before jumping 2ft 6 (the jumping in the OP photo is only 2ft)
http://www.lrg-photography.co.uk/events/wsrc/Team%20Jumping/Novice/DSC_0040.html

yes she is hollow when troting in but that is because she is excited. this is her in the warm up on the same day
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Your right to be nervous, going up that high is very dangerous, a wobble or you slightly out of balance and she'd have gone over.

Definitely a mild bit and a running martingale for a while. Maybe follow a schoolmaster round some fences to encourage her to feel more confident about it.

Just because you've had the all clear from lots of "experts", including vets, it does not necessarily mean the horse isn't in pain. Trust your horse and your instincts on that one, so many experts are often just wrong.

Is she happier jumping on a surface by any chance?
 
flame she is actually worse in the school but i think its because it is so tight i feel she is better out on grass as it is open.

martigale makes her worse as she wants to fight it the whole time. we have done following when we first started jumping and it worked to a point.

i think its just gonna be a case of working through it and hopeful do a few clinics ect on her
 
Well done for not toppling off the back!

Seriously though, when you say you have had her back done, have you had it x-rayed? She could easily have something like kissing spine which you would not be able to diagnose merely by having the back man out.
 
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Well done for not toppling off the back!

Seriously though, when you say you have had her back done, have you had it x-rayed? She could easily have something like kissing spine which you would not be able to diagnose merely by having the back man out.

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I agree. Im still sticking with my gut instinct of pain. Just because she goes ok sometimes doesnt mean she's not in pain. Like i said in my earlier post, friend brought ex racer gelding, he started rearing one day and they discovered he smashed his withers months before she brought him. He was fine up to a year or so then decided actually my back cant take any more of you riding me!

I would get some x-rays done and stop riding until you have ruled out EVERYTHING before one of you get seriously injured!
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Now thats interesting - its not uncommon for horses that are backed very young to start rearing. and you say she's been mistreated.

Back to basics and re break.
 
thanks lucy and walkingman, i have basically restarted her and she is now going really well i will post another update in about 2 weeks because i'm going away next week so she will have the week off. i am going to loose jump her tomorrow to give her a bit of variaty so she doesn't become bored
 
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thanks lucy and walkingman, i have basically restarted her and she is now going really

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Ok but in your OP you said you have hardly touched her since a month ago when it happened, loose schooled or lunged her for the last 3 weeks and got on her Monday! Well done for making such progress in 3 days since you've been back on.
 
Didn't RachaelStar use to have a photo in her old siggy with her horse wearing an unusual sort of double noseband? As I recall it, several people asked what is was for and she answered she used it to stop him from rearing and that it worked really good.

I might be wrong (sorry in advance if so is the case) but if you're sure it's not caused by pain, maybe it would be worth sending her a pm?

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just to clarify - when I say re break, i mean just that. Ground work to start, lunging, long reining etc. all gradually building up to getting on her. you say you were riding her on monday - that's not restarting her.
 
Only read the original post and not read through the ins and outs and other replies so sorry if I'm repeating what everyone else has said but....

I think its perfectly normal and many of us on here would feel the same, just take things one step at time but make yourself do it, just walking and the odd trot is totally fine there is no rush is there?, until those shakes go away and she has regained your trust again.

Hope all continues to go well, be brave but don't put yourself in any danger.
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she has made alot of progress just being lunged, please stop judging me if you understood what i have been through with both of my horses in the pass year and a half you wouldn't be so quick to judge.

i'm not saying she is perfect now but she is 100% better than she was, i will continue doing what i am with her and we will see how it goes.

i am beginning to wish i hadn't posted this as i feel like i am being really slated for somthing i haven't done. my horses get everything they need and more infact people on my yard have jokingly nickname Jazz "princess jasmine" because of all the time and money i spend making sure she is happy and not in any pain. if you are concern that i'm not doing the right thing i suggest you contact the relivant authorites. and let them take it from there.

i know my horses inside and out and i an tell when there is problems, my farrier, vet and the dentist have all said i know my horses exceptionally well. if i felt she was suffering i would call the relivent people to ensure she is happy.
 
Sorry but if you click back on your link to 0145 and 0146 they are of you on your horse not a grey, and the grakle is in her eye. not meaning to cause any offence, you have sat the rears very well, but as everyone else has said you need to look at the bit and grakle, maybe all too much if she has been in racing, she would only ever have been ridden in a snaffle.
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I know a mare who is/was exactly the same as your mare, would rear to the point of going over for no apparent reason.

She was sent away for re schooling and whilst this mare had every thing checked and was so well cared for it was found that she had a fractured jaw in the past and a splinter of bone had broken through her jaw.

She is advertised on Horse quest as a potential brood mare, has excellent breeding and paces and prescence to die for.

My point is whilst yes you have checked on the surface for teeth and back etc, if she continues to rear then I would start to explore deeper.

Good luck and hope it resolves it self.
 
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just to clarify - when I say re break, i mean just that. Ground work to start, lunging, long reining etc. all gradually building up to getting on her. you say you were riding her on monday - that's not restarting her.

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yes but i also had done ground work for 2 weeks before that. i would say it was rebreak entirely.

ok just to clarify

the week after that she had a week off to chill out,
week 2 and 3 werer spent lunging and looseschooling ect then week 4 (monday) i lunged first then got on and had a little walk and trot, same tuesday. yesterday i loose school and today i rode for about 20mins
 
GwenLP the only slightly odd thing I have also noticed in all of the pics of her jumping on both days (apart from a couple and a couple I can't tell) is that she isn't taking off cleanly behind at all. I counted in 3 instances she is leaving her right hind behind on the floor and in 2 she is leaving the left. When I first noticed it I thought it might be the same leg each time but it isn't.

I would be interested to see some videos of her jumping as it is hard to get a good idea from pics.

Other than that please be very careful, it is not going to take much for this mare to go back over on you and you risk serious injury. I would be wanting to wear a body protector on her at the very least.

I remember a very long post in comp riders a few months back about the possibilities and safety aspects of solving rearers.

Edited to add: and there was a lot of useful info so if you wanted extra help I think there is a wealth of knowledge in CR.
 
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Sorry but if you click back on your link to 0145 and 0146 they are of you on your horse not a grey, and the grakle is in her eye. not meaning to cause any offence, you have sat the rears very well, but as everyone else has said you need to look at the bit and grakle, maybe all too much if she has been in racing, she would only ever have been ridden in a snaffle.
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relised after i posted that that you meant the bottem number (didn't see them) not the top numbers. she is only riden in that combination for jumping and as i have said in a previous post we have tryied different combinations with her and this is what works best.
 
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Sorry but if you click back on your link to 0145 and 0146 they are of you on your horse not a grey, and the grakle is in her eye. not meaning to cause any offence, you have sat the rears very well, but as everyone else has said you need to look at the bit and grakle, maybe all too much if she has been in racing, she would only ever have been ridden in a snaffle.
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I get a grey come up
http://www.lrg-photography.co.uk/events/adrc/Eventers%20Challenge/2'-2'3part1/DSC_0124.html
 
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GwenLP the only slightly odd thing I have also noticed in all of the pics of her jumping on both days (apart from a couple and a couple I can't tell) is that she isn't taking off cleanly behind at all. I counted in 3 instances she is leaving her right hind behind on the floor and in 2 she is leaving the left. When I first noticed it I thought it might be the same leg each time but it isn't.

I would be interested to see some videos of her jumping as it is hard to get a good idea from pics.

Other than that please be very careful, it is not going to take much for this mare to go back over on you and you risk serious injury. I would be wanting to wear a body protector on her at the very least.

I remember a very long post in comp riders a few months back about the possibilities and safety aspects of solving rearers.

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my opinion on this (though i maybe wrong) is that everytime she leaves a leg behind is when she isn't going forward and is backing of the jump (i.e the gate jump she backed off before refusing the the spotty jump after) and the others is when she isn't going well. i think it is lack of schooling over jumps. i will go and see if i have a video
 

Please don't beat yourself up about this - I am sure you have done everything for your horse, but sometimes there are underlying issues that even experts miss. She does look like she is in discomfort though.

What is she like with her seasons? It maybe that that is causing her some trouble - worth having it investigated.

Please though do get a good instructor to help you with this. I have been in your position with an old mare of mine and you cannot do it alone.
I would also be inclined to avoid jumping her until you and she are confident again.

Good luck and (((hugs))) it is hard when things aren't going well.
 
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she has made alot of progress just being lunged, please stop judging me if you understood what i have been through with both of my horses in the pass year and a half you wouldn't be so quick to judge.

i'm not saying she is perfect now but she is 100% better than she was, i will continue doing what i am with her and we will see how it goes.

i am beginning to wish i hadn't posted this as i feel like i am being really slated for somthing i haven't done. my horses get everything they need and more infact people on my yard have jokingly nickname Jazz "princess jasmine" because of all the time and money i spend making sure she is happy and not in any pain. if you are concern that i'm not doing the right thing i suggest you contact the relivant authorites. and let them take it from there.

i know my horses inside and out and i an tell when there is problems, my farrier, vet and the dentist have all said i know my horses exceptionally well. if i felt she was suffering i would call the relivent people to ensure she is happy.

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Im not judging you i was mearly congratulating you on the progress you had made recently. And your not the only one who goes through issues with horses so please dont tell me i dont understand!!!

I was giving my honest opinion and if you dont like it you shouldnt post things that may get criticised.
 
she was awful when she first went into season and i put her on oestress and it seems to have settled them mostly, she was in season in the rearing photo.
 
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she was awful when she first went into season and i put her on oestress and it seems to have settled them mostly, she was in season in the rearing photo.

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Talk to your vet about regumate. Oestress may not be enough for her. Regumate will stop her seasons. I would also get a scan done to check she has not got ovarian cysts - they can cause pain and behavioural issues.
 
I have had a horse that reared like this, from your pics she looks like she is nappy. You can see her dropping behind your aids and napping in the first few pics.
Does she nap at home?
The horse we had that did this was 17.3 and a nightmare. He went over backwards several times.He had nothing wrong with him at all.
In the end we stopped riding him and I long reined him every day for a month even before riding. Everytime I felt him back off on the long reins he got sent forward with a smack and a growl, he eventually stopped the napping and rearing.
Thats was 5 yrs ago, he is still here and is a schoolmaster for my partners mum.
 
personally i would take the curb chain away, i dont like to see horses jumped in the espically at novice levels as if the rider gets left behind over the fence its the horse that gets punished for it this may not solve the rearing but will make the horse happier
 
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