What the hell is wrong with my horse?

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Im completely clueless as to what is wrong with jed.

We had a battle in the manage when schooling on Thursday and all of a sudden he started to resist going forward. Ever since then he has been horribly lame behind behind but only when ridden in the school when i ask for trot. Ive lunged in the school and he is fine, trotted him up in there, fine, trotted him up in hand and with me on his back on hard ground and he's fine!

Ive had t-touch done on him and we found him to be very tight and very irritable when touched around his hamstrings so i thought he had pulled them. I gave him 3 days off and Ive put him on bute (on vets instructions) and its made no difference to when being ridden in the menage?!

Why is he sound when being ridden everywhere but the menage and why is sound on the lunge in there? I plan to have the vet out on Thursday after trying him again tomorrow night.

I want to cry im that confused, i just want to know whats wrong. Does anyone have any ideas? Please?
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iv never heard of t touch but if its like mctimmoney then legally they should ask you to have permission from your vet before treating, i would get a good examination done by your vet
 
Doesnt matter how qualified they are....without the vets express permission its illegal.

You need a vet to LOOK at the horse asap.
 
I had no idea it was illegal if premission from the vet is not granted before treatment.
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My back lady who does mctimoney and equine touch has never told me i need the the vets premission before she treats him.
 
The horse belongs to you, you decide what treatment you want done to your horse, your vet treats your horse with your permission. All this legal or illegal stuff is rubbish. The vet does not own your horse. The only time treating is legal or illegal is preparing a hoof for shoeing & obviously in this country it can only be done by a registered farrier.

If you wanted to hang garlic around his neck & dance naked around him you could......or would you ask your vets permission?
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I agree!

Whenever I've had a physio to my horse they take the vets details so that if they need to they can discuss any problems BUT they certainly don't have to ask your vets permission unless they are treating a condition which is also being treated by a vet. Actually it isn't even 'permission' as such they should check that they aren't going to undermine any treatment the horse is currently getting

Any practitioner should ask if the horse is currently under vetinary treatment if they don't do this then, as I understand it, this is bad practise for them.
 
No laws on the books for any of that here I assume.

Not even for having a horse shod. I doubt any of the Amish farriers here are even regsitered
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Sounds like you are on top of things anyhow if vet is coming out Thurs. JEEZ!
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If your horse has been horribly lame since last thursday, and you are so concerned, then I would be getting the vet yesterday.
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If your horse has been horribly lame since last thursday, and you are so concerned, then I would be getting the vet yesterday.
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sounds to me like it is not there most of the time. I am not one of those "call the vet out for eveything immediatley" types though unless it is obviously serious or life threatening. Sometimes giving it a minute of thought and trouble shooting is a good course of action too. Sounds like she has been working on this and trying to get to the bottom of it. We should not be so critical really.
 
If its a serious problem then why is he only lame in the manage? Surely he would be worse on the lunge but he isnt, he is sound....Very strange! Keep us updated, good luck hun:)
 
How deep is the surface in the school (manege, by the way)? If it's at all deep, then the symtpoms you have are that the only time he is lame is when he is having to carry your weight in a deep surface which takes a lot of toll on the hamstrings - bingo, unsound.

If he is pulling his hamstrings then I doubt bute would make him totally sound, as it is more anti-inflammatory than painkiller, so that fits too.
 
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The horse belongs to you, you decide what treatment you want done to your horse, your vet treats your horse with your permission. All this legal or illegal stuff is rubbish. The vet does not own your horse. The only time treating is legal or illegal is preparing a hoof for shoeing & obviously in this country it can only be done by a registered farrier.

If you wanted to hang garlic around his neck & dance naked around him you could......or would you ask your vets permission?
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No really it is illegal. Under the veterinary surgeons act any paraproffesional needs veterinary permission to do any "treatments".
 
Thank you Toby, KW33 & Jade - im glad im not the only one whos' never heard of the laws.

Puppy, if you read the post you would see that he is not HORRIBLY lame ALL of the time! Ive trotted him up and done flexion test's out of the school with and without me on him and he's fine. Also fine whilst out hacking.
I have spoken to my vet and he told me try the bute and if it doesnt work get him out to look which i have booked for Thursday!

Jade, im the same i wont waste a vets time or my money for nothing, ive been ruling out all causes before i call him out.
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Charlie55 thats why im so baffled, he's lame in straight line but only in trot in the school! Fine on the lunge on smaller circles!
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cptrayes very true, i hadnt thought of this.
 
It may be something to do with the insurance being void if the vet doesn't give permission. I always thought it was courtesy to ask them and they never say no to me. Just smile in that 'well, if you want to waste £xyz on massages then that's fine by us' sort of way.
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There was a post about the legalities recently and it is really a bit wooly round the edges with regards to the animal act, the RCVS have their interpration but the actual act may not always be taken that way.

I think most practitioners will do it to cover their own back and I actually take it as a good sign if they want me to get vets permission.
 
Just to say I have ridden a horse that did the same thing - it was a potential purchase, I rode him out in the field, jumped him (he had a fantastic jump) both SJ and XC in the paddocks. We then took him into the school and he changed completely - he didn't want to move forwards and when really pushed he too was lame behind, quite dramatically.

It was the oddest thing I have ever seen or been on as, when we took him back outside on the field he was sound again!

We enquired about having a physio to check him at the time (dunno why, this was a long time ago) and turned out that physio had seen the horse previously and it had a stifle problem.

I think you do need a vet to diagnose this if it continues. Are you aware of the horse having fallen at all?

It is the most bizarre thing I agree with you on that one!

Oh and I don't believe there is anywhere that states it is 'illegal' to have an alternative therapist out to see your horse - that is your decision at the end of the day, it's your animal. You wouldn't be able to claim under insurance though unless the vet had recommended the treatment.
 
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