:( What the hell was that? Horse attacked other horse hacking

PurpleSpots said:
I did mention it early on in the thread, and someone else has mentioned it too I think - unusual aggression can be a symptom of PPID/Cushings - it could well be worth running bloods.
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Sorry you did yes, I'll suggest it but i think really the owners plan is a nice summer perhaps and to call it a day. I'm not really sure they would bother- that sounds awful I don't mean it like that. I just don't think they are going to be spending extras medicating etc.

I didn't know that could be a symptom though, that's interesting.
 
This horse needs to be on individual turnout until his future is decided. Far too risky to turn him out with another when he’s been so extremely aggressive. He hasn’t responded to something that has happened, he has attacked the other horses without provocation or warning both times. No way you can know he won’t turn on his field mate at some point and kick the crap out of him. Just because he hasn’t been aggressive in the field yet, doesn’t mean he won’t.
 
poiuytrewq said:
Sorry you did yes, I'll suggest it but i think really the owners plan is a nice summer perhaps and to call it a day. I'm not really sure they would bother- that sounds awful I don't mean it like that. I just don't think they are going to be spending extras medicating etc.

I didn't know that could be a symptom though, that's interesting.
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I'm so sorry, I wasn't meaning I was pointing out something I'd already suggested and why hadn't you responded - when I wrote the initial post I actually regretted it afterwards because it was obviously a situation where it wasn't right for you to be looking into things for the owner, it was a knee-jerk reaction in my mind which hates not being able to explain things and always wants at least one breadcrumb to follow.

I wrote my earlier post focusing on the horse rather than the people so much, but it wasn't meant in an 'I think you should do this, or this could be something to investigate' sort of way, just was trying to offer a possible explanation as sometimes I know not having something solid to explain awful things like this is so hard.

I'm only re-mentioning it as it might be more appropriate now to run bloods and see what his levels are like - if they are high then medicating him could mean there is less likelihood of an unexpected event happening during his daily care, or with the other horse he's out with.

I have experienced one situation first-hand when a rehabilitation-type livery lashed out at one of my own horses in an extreme way without warning, and the Cushings/Cushings medication did seem to be a strongly contributory factor - the horse went on to live happily both in a herd situation, and also out with just a handful of horses for several years after everything Cushings-related was managed and the level of medication was made appropriate.

I fully appreciate that the owner is likely to just want to give this horse a nice summer, and also know that it's not an exact science getting a horse onto pergolide, nor is it sometimes without difficulties, but even the knowledge of his levels could help in any decision-making at least.
 
Upthecreek said:
This horse needs to be on individual turnout until his future is decided. Far too risky to turn him out with another when he’s been so extremely aggressive. He hasn’t responded to something that has happened, he has attacked the other horses without provocation or warning both times. No way you can know he won’t turn on his field mate at some point and kick the crap out of him. Just because he hasn’t been aggressive in the field yet, doesn’t mean he won’t.
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I do understand that completely but he is very much bottom of the pecking order where ever he has been, here even the ponies were putting him in his place. The other horse (mine) has always been top but in a stand offish way.
They have a large amount of space, both, certainly this one are probably on borrowed time anyway. If they can have a nice summer eating grass together it will be a bonus. They will be very closely monitored. the people that own the field's house over looks mine and he from a long time horsey back ground and knows this horse quite well himself.
they will be seperate at first, but close to say hello over the fence.
If there is at any point any sign of trouble they will be split.
 
I have never known a horse that is bottom of the pecking order reverse at speed with a rider on board to attack another horse for no reason. It makes absolutely no sense, so putting him in a field with another when you have no idea what caused the dangerous behaviour seems bonkers.
 
Upthecreek said:
I have never known a horse that is bottom of the pecking order reverse at speed with a rider on board to attack another horse for no reason. It makes absolutely no sense, so putting him in a field with another when you have no idea what caused the dangerous behaviour seems bonkers.
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You are right :( I've taken the option we all wanted because no one wants to see him pts when he appears so well and, well just normal aside from these two episodes.
I've done the same as I did the first time round, found a reason (he didnt know the horse but wouldnt do it to one he knows) and run with it.
He really is and apparently always has been the slightly pushed around one in the field, not that thats particulaly relevant i suppose really.

One thing that has come up is that he had KS surgery in racing so 7+ years ago. We wonder if its back pain 🙅‍♂️ Without xrays impossible to say but a possibility.
 
poiuytrewq said:
You are right :( I've taken the option we all wanted because no one wants to see him pts when he appears so well and, well just normal aside from these two episodes.
I've done the same as I did the first time round, found a reason (he didnt know the horse but wouldnt do it to one he knows) and run with it.
He really is and apparently always has been the slightly pushed around one in the field, not that thats particulaly relevant i suppose really.

One thing that has come up is that he had KS surgery in racing so 7+ years ago. We wonder if its back pain 🙅‍♂️ Without xrays impossible to say but a possibility.
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Yes, it likely is sudden, intolerable, pain from pressure (somewhere) that has built up; all of you kind of guessed that now, anyway.
Ultimately, if only you are dealing with him in the fresh field, and only your horse is with him, then you already have a good idea of potential risks.
You’ve personally witnessed exactly what he can do, you understand the liability issues, and if you’re okay with that then it’s not really anyone else’s business. He might never do similar again, but at least it’s eyes wide open.
Good luck, and with finding one more suitable!
 
Exasperated said:
Yes, it likely is sudden, intolerable, pain from pressure (somewhere) that has built up; all of you kind of guessed that now, anyway.
Ultimately, if only you are dealing with him in the fresh field, and only your horse is with him, then you already have a good idea of potential risks.
You’ve personally witnessed exactly what he can do, you understand the liability issues, and if you’re okay with that then it’s not really anyone else’s business. He might never do similar again, but at least it’s eyes wide open.
Good luck, and with finding one more suitable!
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Well me and his owners. We will share poo picking etc. they may be ok with a fence between.

Anyway tonight my two down there are having a sleep
Over! There is a hunter there who I have tonight returned to its field and watched hop back out 3 times so I gave in and put him in with my two and all are happy. That will actually make bringing one home easier as the other has company now 😂 bloody horses.
I don’t imagine hunter will happily return to his own now he has discovered how easy he can get out…. He has an awesome jump 😍
 
Have you had a blood test . To look at hormone levels. You do seem to have found a solution of sorts.
 
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