what to do/where to sell section A :(

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I got my very nicely bred Section A as a weanling, as a companion and to show. Now at 2 he's settled in really well and has been a great companion to my ridden horse. Ive done a good bit with him ground work wise and he has been successful out showing and was really easy to do. He's always been a typical young welshie though and needed to be reminded of his place but I didnt have a problem,he would lead in with my mare along a quiet road, wait in the field with no fuss if I hacked out etc.

The problem now is that since I became pregnant he seems to sense a change in me:o He has lost respect for me on the ground and of course now, Im not in a position to do anything about it.Ive had to start waiting until I can get help to lead him in, I have to bring him in with my mare as she wont settle on her own. Im actually still riding and managing fine with my mare, but cant work with the wee guy:( Usually Im here by myself as the horses are at home so its a pain as I have to call a friend to come and help me or wait until my husband is home, by which time it is usually dark.

Ive had a few friends come and work with him on the ground and he's been fine, he just eyes me up from the corner of his eye the whole time:o:(

I came to the decision to sell him as although my mare needs company, I do need something easy and I had the chance of a super wee shettie on loan to do the job. Im stuck at the moment with the welshie being out in the field and facing the fact that when the baby comes its unlikely I will have the time to put into a youngster anymore anyway. I also want to have ponies about that arent too sharp with me going to have a wee one about the place and knowing know how he is reacting to me I just dont think Id be able to trust him.

Its so frustrating as he is a fab wee guy and I cant allow myself to think too emotionally about it as he takes my breath away to look at, he has such presence. Ive have advertised him everywhere I can think of and all I have had are time wasters. I dont believe its about money with a wee pony like him but I wonder if the fact Ive been advertising pretty much stating that and asking for offers is attracting the wrong type of people? I know also its a bad time of year and wee ponies, especially youngsters are hard to sell, but I really dont know what to do now. Leaving him out in the field is my only option at the moment but that does mean leaving him by himself more that I would like when I bring my mare in.Im also finding now even doing that its risky for me getting her out with him there:o
 
Can you just get someone to help you with him while you are pregnant? If it really is just that hes trying it on because he knows you are expecting he will hopefully go back to normal when you have had the baby. Shame to have to give him up.
 
itsmylife said:
Can you just get someone to help you with him while you are pregnant? If it really is just that hes trying it on because he knows you are expecting he will hopefully go back to normal when you have had the baby. Shame to have to give him up.
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sadly no, there isnt anyone about to help me. The ponies are at home and although some very kind friends have come over a couple of times to give me a hand its out of the way for them.
 
Could you get the shetland on loan now and have it live out with the welsh? Then you can bring your mare in as and when and he is not left alone.. Then reassess the situation in summer when everything is easier.

Is he gelded? That would help no end if he isn't. When is he three? This summer? If so, could he be sent away to be broken (and sold?). It sounds as though he is almost asking for more work...

Don't worry about turning him away if not - he has his whole future ahead and plenty of time.
 
I'd turn him away or try to loan him out as a companion. I wouldn't sell him now. The market is flooded with sec A's. There's no guarantee that he won't end up being sold for meat. That's the only reason why I've still got my Horrid Grey Thing.
 
Sadly baby sec A's aren't worth a lot, a couple of hundred max if he's shown nicely but is sharp?

I thought you had a gelding though and not a mare? Charlie wasn't it? I didn't realise Charlie was a mare, oops!
 
Honey08 said:
Could you get the shetland on loan now and have it live out with the welsh? Then you can bring your mare in as and when and he is not left alone.. Then reassess the situation in summer when everything is easier.

Is he gelded? That would help no end if he isn't. When is he three? This summer? If so, could he be sent away to be broken (and sold?). It sounds as though he is almost asking for more work...

Don't worry about turning him away if not - he has his whole future ahead and plenty of time.
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thanks, yes i have got the shetland on loan which means i can bring my mare in with her, but the problem is getting them out of the field with him there. I was going in with a headcollar and putting some hay out for him, tying him up and taking the others out. tying them to the gate then going back in letting him go but now he is just turning his bum on me.

scrunchie said:
I'd turn him away or try to loan him out as a companion. I wouldn't sell him now. The market is flooded with sec A's. There's no guarantee that he won't end up being sold for meat. That's the only reason why I've still got my Horrid Grey Thing.
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I wish I could loan him out, but its finding someone to take him:(
 
Same here as Scrunchie, I won't consider selling my section a's until they are viable little kids ponies or driving ponies because I want to give them a headstart over the other piteous ponies :(

Good idea to get the shettie and then they'll have each other leaving you free to work your mare - thats why I have two of the damned things myself :) and echo the don't worry, he's young and sounds like you've done a lot with him already, he could suffer a break ;) :)

Ah ok, you're trying to leave him on his own, a baby is probably going to find that hard - why can't your mare be brought in alone?
 
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Dizzle said:
Sadly baby sec A's aren't worth a lot, a couple of hundred max if he's shown nicely but is sharp?

I thought you had a gelding though and not a mare? Charlie wasn't it? I didn't realise Charlie was a mare, oops!
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I was only asking £200 and said I would take any offer if it was a good home, I had one girl who I agreed £100 for but she ended up not having transport and being miles away. It seems such a waste as his lines are super, he won the foal class at RHS.

Yes sorry, he is gelded and is 2 in May. I dont have Charlie anymore, I have a Sec D Mare.
 
BoolavogueDC said:
Same here as Scrunchie, I won't consider selling my section a's until they are viable little kids ponies or driving ponies because I want to give them a headstart over the other piteous ponies :(

Good idea to get the shettie and then they'll have each other leaving you free to work your mare - thats why I have two of the damned things myself :) and echo the don't worry, he's young and sounds like you've done a lot with him already, he could suffer a break ;) :)
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thank you. the problem is though i need the shettie to be with my mare, not with him:o
 
There are lots of Sec A's with fantastic lines going for £60-£100, unless they are decent kids ponies as the others say, they don't stand a chance.
 
surely there must be somebody out there who will take on the wee fellow for a year as a companion - it's not as if he needs broken yet - although I do sympathize as I did 'borrow' one for a while and he was a bit of a nightmare - didn't recognise electric fencing and ate my poor geldings tail until it bled :(
 
BoolavogueDC said:
sorry just added, why can't your mare come in and out on her own? You're going to end up needing 4 lol :(
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she just stresses as she cant see other horses, and thats not safe for me either. lol,husband will have a breakdown if I suggest a 4th :(

Another way Ive been managing is to take my truck down to the field with my tack etc in, and tack her up there and ride out from the field. But it still leaves the problem of getting her out past him. I would section off a bit for him so he could be seperate from her but the last time I did that he shouldered through it and broke all the posts (leccy was on;) )
 
Its the leaving him out alone that will be escalating the problem. Can't the mare come in on her own? Its understandable that he is panicing and not wanting you to take the others.. If not, could you get another companion that can stay out?

Re the double barelling, I'd have a schooling whip to flick at him - that is not at all acceptable.
 
Like others have said sec As are 10 a penny at the moment, Can you split your field so hes seperate from your mare? would that help, then when hes old enough send him away to be broken and maybe broken to harness. That way he would have a chance of a good home.
 
Dawng said:
surely there must be somebody out there who will take on the wee fellow for a year as a companion - it's not as if he needs broken yet - although I do sympathize as I did 'borrow' one for a while and he was a bit of a nightmare - didn't recognise electric fencing and ate my poor geldings tail until it bled :(
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well ive sent off another few emails this morning round local RC's etc, basically offering him on long term loan with view to buy (for a token) if needs be. He IS a good companion, he just needs work. My nearest neighbour did have him for a few weeks in the summer and her teenage son wouldnt go in the field with him to poo pick:o Although at that time he would NEVER have turned at me.

Honey08 - my mare wont come in by herself and Ive tried the schooling whip believe me, he has managed to kick me in the thigh so i just cant risk being in his space at all now.
 
Bless the little one, I do feel a little sorry for him now, even though he's acting naughtilly, I can well understand he doesn't want to be left on his own at his age :(
 
It sounds as though he is being a typical 2 year old, bless him, but that doesn't make it any easier for you. You would be lucky to sell him to a good home at the moment, the market is totally flooded, most have excellent lines because all lines lead back to the well known ones, we have one that was very highly placed (top 5) out of nearly 100 at the Royal Welsh and another that won his class at Great Yorkshire, both were under £100 at a sale. I wouldn't worry about not having time to work him at this stage, if he had the grounding early on it will all come back when he settles down (which he will). I wonder if you have allowed yourself to be different with him as a reaction to something he has done, protecting your baby, if that makes sense. If you can find a loan home or new owners then all well and good, if not then I guess you have to make a decision about how badly you need rid of him and consider a sale.
 
BoolavogueDC said:
Bless the little one, I do feel a little sorry for him now, even though he's acting naughtilly, I can well understand he doesn't want to be left on his own at his age :(
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so do I ! :o:( I have to put my safety first though but Im trying everything I can think of to find someone to take him or a solution that will work at home for him.
 
It wasn't an accusation, just a comment that I feel sorry for him.

How about sectioning him away from the mare and shettie with fencing? That way you're safe to come and go in the meantime..

Sorry just catching up. Well you seem like you can't actually DO anything then, I'm out of suggestions for you I'm afraid. If you can't contain HIM, control HER or HIM maybe it's best to take all the pressure off and turn them away til baby comes and is old enough for you to crack on?
 
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BoolavogueDC said:
It wasn't an accusation, just a comment that I feel sorry for him.

How about sectioning him away from the mare and shettie with fencing? That way you're safe to come and go in the meantime..
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no, sorry, i didnt mean my reply to come across as that. Im just sharing your frustration, I feel terrible about it. Ive tried to section him off but he just goes through fencing and broke all the leccy posts the last time. Id also tried making a coralle/catching area but went down to find him having bust through it to graze.

If I cant find anyone to take him, borrowing something to stay with him seems an option, in my head but OH will not be happy. Will also have a think about seeing if I can maybe try a double line of fencing or something....

i appreciate all the suggestions.

ETA - boolavouge i can control her fine, she just needs company when she comes in.
 
NeverSayNever said:
she just stresses as she cant see other horses, and thats not safe for me either. lol,husband will have a breakdown if I suggest a 4th :(

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Sorry it was that part that made me think if you aren't safe you aren't in control?

Either way borrowing a companion for the companion sounds like a good solution.

As far as electric fencing goes we've always used more than one strand, especially seen as the section a's can duck :D also we have a better energiser than your average, the average ones hardly discourage anything that really wants to get out.
 
It does sound like the answer would be loaning another youngster from a rescue, and sectioning the field off so that the two babies could stay on one side. Then you could take the other two in and out.

I think once your pregnancy is over, I would spend time getting the mare used to being in alone. Thats a big part of the problems here too..

I agree that your safety is the no 1 priority..
 
BoolavogueDC said:
Sorry it was that part that made me think if you aren't safe you aren't in control?

Either way borrowing a companion for the companion sounds like a good solution.

As far as electric fencing goes we've always used more than one strand, especially seen as the section a's can duck :D also we have a better energiser than your average, the average ones hardly discourage anything that really wants to get out.
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she just stresses on her own, which whether its safe for me not not, isnt fair on her either. She's fine, she just gets a bit bargy and I manage the way I do by having her friend with her. She is 100% on her own going out, going to lessons and RC etc. Also, even when I have to stop riding, I still intend to keep her ticking over with lunging/long lining, heck, I still need to be able to bring her in for the farrier etc. She is my priority in all this as well,harsh though it may sound:o

Oh I always use more than one strand, I had 4. I meant I might try a double row,like a foot apart. Not sure where to get a better energiser,which one do you have? Ive got a rutland one that is fairly substantial but if you have a link or anything Im open to suggestions?
 
Perhaps he is worse now because he is in with two mares and so has become attached to what he see's as his little heard and when you take them both away you're totally ruining his party! Hence why he's turning on you maybe? I think really the only viable option at the moment would be to loan another companion, a gelding this time and fence off your field with the two mares in one side and the two geldings in the other.
 
http://www.rutland-electric-fencing.co.uk/PageSelectingAnEnergiser.aspx

Look on here at the min voltages, there are higher minimums for different livestock and different energisers to match.
We have one for thicko sheep ;) if you look at the bottom guide as well all the energisers right through the board are suitable for horses, so make him an elephant pen just try not to kill him :D
 
FestiveBoomBoom said:
Perhaps he is worse now because he is in with two mares and so has become attached to what he see's as his little heard and when you take them both away you're totally ruining his party! Hence why he's turning on you maybe? I think really the only viable option at the moment would be to loan another companion, a gelding this time and fence off your field with the two mares in one side and the two geldings in the other.
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i think so. i think as well,he totally changed once he got away with kicking me.Usually i would have come down on him like a ton of bricks but obviously now i cant, he really seems to sense the change in me. Im keeping on trying to find a loan home for him as best I can because tbh even when i have the baby, Im not sure he is of the temperament i want to have about when Im managing ponies with a wee one and he cant stay out in the field forever.
 
BoolavogueDC said:
http://www.rutland-electric-fencing.co.uk/PageSelectingAnEnergiser.aspx

Look on here at the min voltages, there are higher minimums for different livestock and different energisers to match.
We have one for thicko sheep ;) if you look at the bottom guide as well all the energisers right through the board are suitable for horses, so make him an elephant pen just try not to kill him :D
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thank you! Will have a look at those now, hubby will be more amenable to a new energiser than another companion lol
 
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