what to do???

Often mares are sent to stallions, already in foal. This means they can be covered as soon as they come back into season, otherwise they'd have to wait for their foal to mature enough to travel.

To the OP - although I understand your friends frustration that the establishment had no hand in making her horse successful, and infact even denied the opportunity to help with the horse when they could, I can't see that they are doing anything legally wrong. That is so long as they aren't claming anything other than the horse came from them initially. It may not be morally sound of them, but when did morals have anything to do with the law?
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Thanks for that. I have always had geldings, so haven't had the need to know these things.
 
the health risk was evident within a few months of ownership, and like you say its with the buyer the type of vetting done. In this case a higher stge couldve picked this up,,,,i guess no matter where you buy from you need to have a 5 stage vetting or as near to it as possible. If she ever wants to sell him it would be an advantage, dont think its about the money tho.
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the health risk was evident within a few months of ownership, and like you say its with the buyer the type of vetting done. In this case a higher stge couldve picked this up,,,,i guess no matter where you buy from you need to have a 5 stage vetting or as near to it as possible. If she ever wants to sell him it would be an advantage, dont think its about the money tho.
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I sympathise with your friend, but if you say the health problem was 'evident within a few months of ownership' then that implies it wasn't evident at the time of sale, to the buyer, vet or for that matter, the vendor, perhaps.
I bought an unbroken 4yo with a two stage..she's still ok aged nearly 20yrs. Horses are living, breathing creatures; a horse can be perfect one day, dead the next. There are no guarantees in life for horses, or for people
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If your friend is enjoying the horse, and believes he was worth the investment in terms of treatment, then that is what she should focus upon, rather than being bitter about things in the past that can't be changed.
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I get where she is coming from completely but as far as i'm aware they can't use the horses name if she tells them they can't, as they don't own it anymore, so have to have permission. I could be completely wrong though.
 
maybe you confused everyone with the story i think the point you were trying to get across is that your friend had problems with these people and dont want them using her horses name to advertise their buisness n are asking if she can do anything about it. I may also be having a stupid day too but i think that is what you meant lol.
 
If they bred the horse they bred the horse. The "breeder" is the owner/lessor of the mare at either the time of conception or the time of birth, depending on whose rules you use.

If the problem is wind related, it's true that large horses especially can all of a sudden show a problem as they grow. Yes, the problem has been there all along but it's not at all rare for them suddenly, one day to start "making a noise". If it's something like OCD then no one would have known unless the horse showed signs before - even problems that have "always existed" show up from one day to the next.

As far as your friend not wanting them to use her horses name, she can ask. A nicely worded letter with a simple request would be the way to go. If they refuse and she wants to push the point then contact a solicitor and get an official letter written. I can't see anyone wanting that much fuss.

We can't say much about the original problem because we simply don't know. But if the big issue is using the name then that's what she has to concentrate on.
 
thanx TS they loaned the mare (i bel), and ofcourse the matter of his health is sorted out now,,and was forgotten for a bit, was relief all round once the surgery was completed and he was ok> i think the problem is now, that they have gone and put him on their website with his recent success,, she emailed them 2 weeks ago and no reply, i think she probably needs to go and chat to them in person and if no joy, then praps contact a solicitor,
 
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i think what she needs to say is she doesnt want them using her horses name and if they will not stop using it she will contact a solicitor

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i think she will say that, but the thing is,, what legal standing does she actually have??
 
As I said in my last, I don't think she has any legal standing so long as the words they use reflect the truth - i.e. he was born at their establishment.
 
IMO, you haven't really got anything really against the "big place" because you haven't been able to say or prove that this condition was known to them when they sold the horse. Your friend bought the horse with the vetting they requested and the horse passed. They bought the horse and then the horse developed a condition, which you haven't been very clear on, at a later time. A lot can happen in a few months. Could have been a number of factors that could have triggered the problem.

So I think it is a little petty to be getting so worked up over them using the horses name. Just be glad that the horse is doing so well and you have a fabulous horse. I just see bringing in the solicitors as overkill and a waste of money.

I would be quite happy to see them using the horses names, even if they *may* have sold the horse to me without disclosing its issues. I would be just smug that they are pretty much grovelling at your horses feet to get a connection so they can sell their horses.
 
I understand how your friend feels.

When there's a problem, the establishment didn't want to know. When there is success, they cash in on it (not literally).

Legally however, it all depends on any contract or agreement your friend may have had.

If it is bugging her that much, I would recommend she seek legal advice.

Or she could look at the flip side, free publicity for her horse.
 
OP, could you clarify how, exactly, they are using the horses name? Are they saying something like 'bred by us' or someting more? if they are purely stating facts, they are breaking no rules/laws.
 
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OP, could you clarify how, exactly, they are using the horses name? Are they saying something like 'bred by us' or someting more? if they are purely stating facts, they are breaking no rules/laws.

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they stated the truth,(they mention that he was sold last year and his results) but she would rather they didnt use him to promote in anyway, as her experiences with them isnt a good one,( & she doesnt want to be part of promoting them)

if it wasnt for a fantastic team of vets and brilliant insurance company there would be nothing for them to mention...if she has no legal stand, does she have a moral one?
 
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I understood the original question perfectly lol maybe Im just super (maybe?
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Blackdiamond you truely are a diamond, and although you are super, your iq doesnt have to be 460 to understand post!!LOL,
 
she had the animal vetted....

bought him cheap......

quite rightly got told "on yer bike" by vendors some time down the line when unmentioned (secret) ailment appeared..

said horse had treatment paid for by INS,.... so owner isn't out of pocket..

original vendor has said horse in their current sales blurb....

current owner has a strop on because vendors quite rightly wouldn't pay for treatment...so doesn't want her horse in sales blurb.....because she feels they should of coughed up for original vet treatment on a cheap horse that passed a 2*...


that is how i see it, AmyMay....
 
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she had the animal vetted....

bought him cheap......for eventing and fit for purpose which he wasnt

quite rightly got told "on yer bike" by vendors some time down the line when unmentioned (secret) ailment appeared..
not the case 'but wow you are close'

said horse had treatment paid for by INS,.... so owner isn't out of pocket.. eventually!!!!

original vendor has said horse in their current sales blurb....

current owner has a strop on because vendors quite rightly wouldn't pay for treatment...so doesn't want her horse in sales blurb.....because she feels they should of coughed up for original vet treatment on a cheap horse that passed a 2*..on the advice of the vets involved.


that is how i see it, AmyMay....

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your close! not quite as simple as you have put it but 'hey ho'
 
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she had the animal vetted....

bought him cheap......for eventing and fit for purpose which he wasnt

quite rightly got told "on yer bike" by vendors some time down the line when unmentioned (secret) ailment appeared..
not the case 'but wow you are close'

said horse had treatment paid for by INS,.... so owner isn't out of pocket.. eventually!!!!

original vendor has said horse in their current sales blurb....

current owner has a strop on because vendors quite rightly wouldn't pay for treatment...so doesn't want her horse in sales blurb.....because she feels they should of coughed up for original vet treatment on a cheap horse that passed a 2*..on the advice of the vets involved.


that is how i see it, AmyMay....

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your close! not quite as simple as you have put it but 'hey ho'

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can't see what she gripeing about then, TBH...??
 
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