What 'type' to aim to produce?

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What would you cross this mare with?

This is Kalli:

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First ever showjuping outing, having never seen planks before!
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16.3hh hunter type, TB x CD, rising 8.

We would like to breed from her. Her conformation isn't faultless but pretty good: other than being cowhocked (she is half clydesdale) her only real fault is she has fairly short pasterns.

She can and does turn her hoof at anything, does a nice prelim dressage, easily jumps round a 2'9 hunter course. She doesn't excel at any disapline but she DOES excel at being safe, quiet and honest. You can trust her with the most novice rider, she's taken her young owner from being terrified of a 18" course to going round 2'6 hunter courses. She's amazing to hack and is about as bombproof as you can get. She's the type of horse every nervous novice wished they has.

Foal will probably go to me, but we aim to produce something desirable for the 'happy hacker' market (which is huge!). I'm not particularly bothered what 'type' we go for - I'd break, bring on as a sensible happy-hacker allrounder then sell most likely, as that's what I enjoy doing.

BUT therefore do we go for a) same again, so an ID type stallion, b) something a bit lighter and 'flashier' like a TB/warmblood, or c) something smaller and more cobby so a nice gyspy cob stallion type?

Whatever is is will be the best quality we can find, and with the aim to improve her faults. And yes, we are well aware of the risks and costs of breeding - we've thought about it long and hard.
 
Personally I would cross her with something a bit lighter but still sane so that ideally the resulting foal will be of a similar temp, etc but built so that a wider range of people could ride him/her as not everyone wants a really big horse.
 
Definately cross back to a TB - with mares like this, of mixed breeding, I think it is important to stay with closed studbooks, so you reduce the risk of getting a mixed throwback (i.e a great big horse on tiny legs, or vice versa).
 
IMO a mare like your will almost always produce sane progeny and I would put her in foal to a TB stallion no bigger than 16 or 16.1 or even cross out with a smaller stallion.
 
How about considering Hever Golf Ranger, an absolutely lovely TB stallion, who a friend of mine has put her ISH mare to this year? He has an incredibly laid back temperament, is just a lovely boy to handle, and seems to refine and add a touch of blood and athleticisim to the mares he is put to. This is the stud site : http://pennwaywelshponies.homestead.com/Jitterbug.html

He only does natural covering, unfortunately, but I would really strongly recommend him, and the photo on the website really doesn't do him justice - he is very well put together, and has the most beautiful head. My friend has taken a number of pics of him, so if you would like to see more, PM me.

PS I think that your mare looks gorgeous! We have a Clydie X cob, and he's a horse in a million! Again, pretty bombproof but he does tend to get a bit over-enthusiastic with his jumping!!!
 
i haave a clydesdale x warmblood and i wanted to breed something to showjump this is my clydesdalex
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i put her to a lighter warmblood and this is ellieborn 27/04/09
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This might give you a wee bit of an idea but it depends on what you want to do the the foal long term which stallion you use
 
Sally stands 2 TB stallions one of which would suit quiet nicely both height & stamp. I agree with others stick to a closed book stud where you are dealing with less variance. TB is ideal, depending on what you want there is the Arab or Trak.
 
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She is a lovely girl. Nothing special in the world of competition horses and true athletes, but then not everyone wants a high ocatane horse! The vast majoirty of rider nowadays just want something sound, sane and fun.

Confirmed my thoughts on a stallion - something lighter and a little smaller. A TB would be perfect, as long as the temperment is right. And then I'll prob end up keeping her/him
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- Kalli but a bit lighter and a little more athletic would be my ideal horse.

BUT, just to throw a spanner in the works, we LOVE coloured horses and would love to produce something coloured. Crossing her with a homozygous tobiano would give a coloured foal........

TB's don't come in the coloured variety sadly, so it's have to be a warmblood or TB cross. A bad idea? I don't know enough about stallions going to know any suitable. That'll have to be my winter research!


P.s Ellie is so cute. That's what we want. But splotchy if possible!
 
I think there are TB coloureds now actually, i know matchmaker was one (sadly died recently). Angrove stud have a couple, near full tb and then there is 'i was framed' a full tb. Just do a search on google... There are a few out there, if not full tb, very close. Or how about a lighter weight wb?

Hope that helps. Good luck anyway.
 
There is the coloured TB stallion I Was Framed - I think he's homozygous.

Also there is the 7/8th TB Angrove Spotted Dick, who is homozygous.
 
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I was Framed is Overo rather than tobiano so a different type of 'coloured'

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True, but that differentiation doesn't matter to a lot of people.
 
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