What Wormer Now?

Sorry! Got my Equi's mixed up :rolleyes:

It was Equi Pramox last time:
Contains moxidectin the active ingredient of Equest and praziquantel for the control of tapeworm. A palatable gel, EQUEST PRAMOX controls, with a single dose, the three types of parasites that can infect your horse: roundworms, bots, and all 3 species of tapeworm. It is also the only combination wormer to control all stages of encysted small redworm larvae; larvae that burrow into, and emerge from your horse's gut wall: the harmful and potentially fatal stages of the most common parasite to affect your horse today - taken from http://www.wormers-direct.co.uk/brands.html

Just been reading some worming schedules - it may well be that I've used it too soon, as in it should be the Spring one that I would be using the week. I bought it under advisement. Hm. Hope someone can point me in the right direction! I will of course ring my vet tomorrow, but if anyone has the answer, it would be much appreciated :cool:

This is all due to me relying on my little purple book - it has all the weights and worming and dentists and vaccs info. in it from the last three years. I've relied on it, and gone and blinking lost it! I'm a twit.
 
If you have wormed at end of feb with Pramox, you have no need to worm until at least end of may. If they absolutey must have something before moving I would use strongid P at a normal dose, as you have already covered tapes with the pramox. If you don't have to dose with anything then I would be inclined to leave them be.
 
I would worm egg count, our practice recommends (I think I have got this right) All round wormer in winter (tapeworms do not show up in a wec, blood tests are available but often not cost effective vs. wormer) then worm egg count every 3 months, cost about £7, I think less if more horses. Often no wormer is needed and with resistance a growing problem may be wise? Your vets should have a worming programme/advice.
 
maisie06 said:
If you have wormed at end of feb with Pramox, you have no need to worm until at least end of may. If they absolutey must have something before moving I would use strongid P at a normal dose, as you have already covered tapes with the pramox. If you don't have to dose with anything then I would be inclined to leave them be.
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Thank you maisie06! Worming is the one thing I keep thinking I've got my head round, but then I find that really I know nothing!

I would prefer to leave them and will put my case to the YO.
 
Ive just wormed with Eqvalan Duo which does the lot. I will be doing a worm egg count in 6-8 weeks, then same again come August, then Nov/Dec Eqvalan Duo again. Thats a rough idea, yet to confirm with Vet that its about right.
 
lizness said:
I would worm egg count, our practice recommends (I think I have got this right) All round wormer in winter (tapeworms do not show up in a wec, blood tests are available but often not cost effective vs. wormer) then worm egg count every 3 months, cost about £7, I think less if more horses. Often no wormer is needed and with resistance a growing problem may be wise? Your vets should have a worming programme/advice.
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Thank you lizness :)

We had two sessions of worm counts, the first of which was fine for my four; the second of which showed one of mine had a noticeable count, so was wormed, but that was Autumn.

I did have a nice worming programme when we were on a small yard with just our horses there, but now we're on a bigger yard and there has been a change of YM, things have gone a little awry (that added to me losing my blasted book!). We are pretty much back on track at the yard, but I wanted to know what to give them, if I have to give them something per yard rules, this weekend.
 
Glad someone has brought this up.. I went out and bought some eqvalan duo last week so according to Izzwizz's plan I'm on the right track! Good to know, worming confuses me every time :o
 
Used to worm religiously (as told by vets, wormer sales, etc), now do worm counts - and really need to worm twice a year at most. Go figure?
 
Izzwizz said:
Ive just wormed with Eqvalan Duo which does the lot. I will be doing a worm egg count in 6-8 weeks, then same again come August, then Nov/Dec Eqvalan Duo again. Thats a rough idea, yet to confirm with Vet that its about right.
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Eqvalan Duo does not treat encysted small redworm you need to use a 5 day guard (check for resistance first) Or a single Dose of Equest to control this parasite in winter Nov/dec is a good time.
 
Borderreiver said:
Izzwizz thats the right idea but your Nov dose should be Equest Pramox instead of the Duo as that doesn't treat encysted redworm. This is the most important dose of the year, then rely on your egg counts and add a second tapes dose if in a higher risk situation. You will get independent advice away from the wormer companies! Ask us (Westgate labs) on facebook, lots of wormy chat there.
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Thanks for that,! Was to confirm with Vets later on in year but had thought Equest Pramox was an option, thanks for pointing that out. It is a minefield this worming lark. What would you suggest product wise for the following year? I know that your supposed to rotate your products from one chemical group to another. Being as your on here I may as well pick your brain!
 
They shouldn't be being wormed again so soon really unless you have a problem. Do a FEC and a tapeworm blood test ideally, although you have treated for tapeworm so shouldn't have it and then do the FEC regularly and blood test yearly (or treat for tapeworm 6 monthly) which will decrease the risk of resistance. 80% of worms are carried by 20% of the horses so there is very little point in bulk treating the lot.
Also, worming then turning out on a clean field is a common mistake-as it just means that your field will only have resistant worms on it from now on so resistance is going to build up quickly.
 
No problem. Rotational worming programmes are largely out the window these days. The idea is to treat only with the most effective and appropriate product as needed. That means treating only for hidden worms (encysted and tapes) and treating known wormy horses. Horses have individual worming needs.

You can use a variety of different drugs of course but there are only two to treat those important encysted redworms, Equest and 5 day Panacur Guard. There is a lot of worm resistance to the latter so you need to know if it is effective for your horse. If there are a lot of resistant worms then cross it off your list for ever. If it is effective then great, use it as a change of drug.

What we don't want is resistance to all the wormers. This is the battle and we have to win for the sake of our horses.
 
Borderreiver said:
No problem. Rotational worming programmes are largely out the window these days. The idea is to treat only with the most effective and appropriate product as needed. That means treating only for hidden worms (encysted and tapes) and treating known wormy horses. Horses have individual worming needs.

You can use a variety of different drugs of course but there are only two to treat those important encysted redworms, Equest and 5 day Panacur Guard. There is a lot of worm resistance to the latter so you need to know if it is effective for your horse. If there are a lot of resistant worms then cross it off your list for ever. If it is effective then great, use it as a change of drug.

What we don't want is resistance to all the wormers. This is the battle and we have to win for the sake of our horses.
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Most helpful, thank you very much..
 
Aye, right indeed.

The downer is when one is on a yard that has the requirement that the horses come in this Friday, are wormed, then go out onto the new field on Sunday. It has run worm counts for the last two worming sessions, but one of my horses had a count high enough to need worming (there were about four horses in a herd of just shy of thirty horses).

I'll speak to the YO, but it might take longer than I effectively have this time to get the message across.
 
Point out to YO that when wormed, the only worms left are resistant worms. Therefore when the horses do excrete worms onto the pasture (clean pasture although the worm young can live over winter and reoccur in july ish so could not be as 'clean' as thought) they will mainly be worms who are resistant to wormer so within a year or two you have a population of worms untouched by the chemical you are using unfortunately.So they are wasting their time with this worming programme.
 
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