What would you add to this letter to a dangerous driver….

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who happens to be the driving instructor who overtook myself and friend very dangerously last weekend…..

To Mr ******,

I am writing to complain about the manner in which either yourself or one of your pupils over took a friend and I on horseback on the 15/12/2013 at approx 12.45.

It was on the way into *********, on the blind bend just before *** Lane. Your vehicle over took us on said bend, despite oncoming traffic and came so close I could have kicked your car had I not been otherwise occupied stopping my horse from doing the same thing.

Whether it was you driving or a pupil with your supervising this was clearly a ridiculously dangerous thing to do, not only for myself, friend and horses but for you and your passenger and the oncoming traffic who you couldnt see until you over took us.

The Highway Code, with which you should be familiar, says to ''Always pass horses wide and slow, be aware that horse riders are often children (my friend is 13) and Take great care and treat all horses as a potential hazard; they can be unpredictable, despite the efforts of their rider/driver.'' You failed on all these counts when you passed us last Sunday.

A horse is an exceedingly reactive flight animal and as riders we are very vulnerable on todays busy roads. Its is not only us and the car in question in danger, it is the other road users or pedestrians who may be injured by the animal taking off due to someone passing to close and too fast. We would prefer not to have to ride on the roads but in this area there is very limited access to bridleways, all of which are reached by going past ****** which is a very fast stretch of road.

In future please be aware that passing wide and slow means under 20mph and on the other side of the road, just as when you are overtaking another car, horses have very long back legs and are able to kick backwards and sideways without a hesitation if they feel threatened.
When driving towards us 20-25 mph is ample, being aware that as you go through puddles, over grates etc your car makes sudden unexpected noises which can alarm the horse. Do not get level with us then accelerate away, wait until you are a little in front as again the sudden roar of the engine is very upsetting.

As riders we make every effort to be safe and seen, both us and the horses are plastered in hi viz, we ride single file to keep traffic disruption to a minimum and always thank careful and considerate drivers. As a Driving Instructor it would be helpful if you could educate your pupils as to the nature of horses and the correct manner of passing them on the roads, rather than encouraging dangerous practices which lead to so many unnecessary avoidable accidents.
 
I like it! An instuctor passed me one day with pupil and came so close he hit my stirrup on the wing mirror and i could hear magics brushing boots against the kerb so there was nowhere to go! I knew he lived close to my work so i went over one day and asked to speak to him. He was friendly and apologetic and ive since heard he gives out horse awareness leaflets to his pupils on the first day! He has since always passed me slowly (:
 
I wouldn't send a letter like that to be honest, it comes across as patronising and lecturing neither of which will have the desired effect.
 
I would make it shorter and more concise to be honest. You can get the message across with far fewer words and as it stands it sounds very patronising and not really going to have the desired effect
 
I wouldn't send a letter like that to be honest, it comes across as patronising and lecturing neither of which will have the desired effect.

I agree, I cringed a bit whilst reading it. You kinda ranted at him, which in all fairness you are entitiled to do given his actions, however it may back fire. Make him think all horse riders are horrible and treat them worse!

I would do something much more conscise and to the point, without the lectures and patronising.

Edit - Cross posted with WelshD, just wanted to say..

I would make it shorter and more concise to be honest. You can get the message across with far fewer words and as it stands it sounds very patronising and not really going to have the desired effect
and this!
 
Mary Christmas - I am CC'ing it to our horse watch group!

Bonny - It is very dry as I am utterly livid over the incident, I have altered it slightly to include bullet points with how to pass as horse safely to try to make it more informative, as how many driving instructors actually have the first clue about horses and how quickly they can react?!

ALTERATION

Please bear these pointers in mind for both yourself and pupils;

* Pass wide and slow, this means under 20mph and on the other side of the road, horses have very long back legs and are able to kick backwards and sideways without a hesitation if they feel threatened.

* When driving towards us 20-25 mph is ample, being aware that as you go through puddles, over grates etc your car makes sudden unexpected noises which can alarm the horse. Do not get level with us then accelerate away, wait until you are past as again the sudden roar of the engine is very upsetting.

* Be aware of the speed of oncoming traffic and the time it will take you to safely complete the overtaking manoeuvre before the other traffic reaches us.

* Watch the horses reactions to your approach, swishing tail, sticking its rear or head into the lane, jogging and rider waving arm up and down are all signals to slow down and back off.

As riders we make every effort to be safe and seen, both us and the horses are plastered in hi viz, we ride single file to keep traffic disruption to a minimum and always thank careful and considerate drivers.

I hope you can accept this criticism in a positive manner and in future both you and your pupils are able to pass horses and riders with the respect and consideration due to all road users to keep us all safe.
 
I wouldn't send a letter like that to be honest, it comes across as patronising and lecturing neither of which will have the desired effect.

I agree with this. I think a lot of people on the roads fail to slow down out of pure ignorance. It is best not to put a person's back up by being too aggressive. To explain what went wrong in a more friendly tone might be helpful. Or even a telephone call might help.
 
I think that I may add that I understand that a driving instructor has to keep their registration updated and the DoT may be interested in the occurance
 
Sorry, but it's not getting any better, he's a driving instructor, he knows most of the above and even if he did drive too closely to you, you aren't sure who was driving and maybe it was a one off. Lecturing him will not work !
 
Bonny if it was a pupil driving he is doing a *****E job of teaching as he should never have let them over take a bike on the blind bend never mind two horses! If he does know all the above maybe a refresher course is in order as he clearly has amnesia.
 
Bonny if it was a pupil driving he is doing a *****E job of teaching as he should never have let them over take a bike on the blind bend never mind two horses! If he does know all the above maybe a refresher course is in order as he clearly has amnesia.

Yes but there are much more tactful and powerful ways to get your point across in writing.
 
Bonny if it was a pupil driving he is doing a *****E job of teaching as he should never have let them over take a bike on the blind bend never mind two horses! If he does know all the above maybe a refresher course is in order as he clearly has amnesia.

Maybe it was his wife/son/daughter/whoever......if he's local to you then maybe try and have a friendly word, if not then I would let it go and just be relieved that nothing actually happened.
 
Tactful isn't top of my priorities when Im nearly hit by a car and both my horses and 13 year old friend are put in serious danger.

I think one of the reasons car drivers are so terrible at passing us safely is a lack of education which comes from grass roots teaching. If you're not from the country side and have no experience of horses you need it explaining to you exactly how and why they are dangerous and reactive being flight animals etc etc. We take it for granted people know this- they don't!
 
I would probably go in non confrontational and assume it was a pupil driving, a little less personal than directing the letter at the instructor and a bit more tactful. I would simply leave the highway code out of it and say that its worth reminding his pupils of the unpredictable nature of horses and that as horses have got less numerous on the roads some drivers dont encounter them regularly and are not sure how to react which is understandable and that you hope the instructor doesnt mind you writing and offering your thoughts on the subject
 
Tactful isn't top of my priorities when Im nearly hit by a car and both my horses and 13 year old friend are put in serious danger.

I think one of the reasons car drivers are so terrible at passing us safely is a lack of education which comes from grass roots teaching. If you're not from the country side and have no experience of horses you need it explaining to you exactly how and why they are dangerous and reactive being flight animals etc etc. We take it for granted people know this- they don't!

I disagree, I don't think it's anything to do with teaching but just a disregard for safety, fullstop. In the same way as people speed, overtake where they shouldn't, don't allow for weather conditions etc etc. I think it's part of riding on the roads, if you are aware it can be dangerous and do all you can to be safe then you cannot stop some people passing you where they shouldn't and no amount of lecturing is going to help your case, might actually make some people worse.
 
I disagree, I don't think it's anything to do with teaching but just a disregard for safety, fullstop. In the same way as people speed, overtake where they shouldn't, don't allow for weather conditions etc etc. I think it's part of riding on the roads, if you are aware it can be dangerous and do all you can to be safe then you cannot stop some people passing you where they shouldn't and no amount of lecturing is going to help your case, might actually make some people worse.
The owner of the car is an educator of drivers, if he is driving dangerously, or allowing others to, then the next generation of drivers will be more dangerous!
 
I would probably cut out some of the 'preaching' and try to keep the letter friendly.

To Mr ******,

I am writing to express concern about the manner in which either yourself or one of your pupils over took a friend and I on horseback on the 15/12/2013 at approx 12.45.

It was on the way into *********, on the blind bend just before *** Lane. Your vehicle over took us on said bend, despite oncoming traffic and came extremely close to my horse.
Whether it was you driving or a pupil with your supervising this was clearly a dangerous place to pass , not only for myself, friend and horses but for you and your passenger and the oncoming traffic.

The Highway Code, as I'm sure you're aware , states ''Always pass horses wide and slow, be aware that horse riders are often children (my friend is 13) and Take great care and treat all horses as a potential hazard; they can be unpredictable, despite the efforts of their rider/driver.'' .



I'm aware that it, in all probability, was a pupil driving and I would be grateful if you could stress to your pupils that passing wide and slow means under 20mph and on the other side of the road, just as when you are overtaking another car.

As riders we try to make every effort to be safe and seen, both us and the horses are plastered in hi viz, we ride single file to keep traffic disruption to a minimum and always thank drivers. As a Driving Instructor I would be grateful if you could help by teaching your pupils the importance of adhering to the Highway Code in regards to advice for passing horses.

Maybe something a bit like that?
 
TBH I wouldn't bother writing to him, except to send him a copy of the letter of complaint that you send to the ADI (or whatever the the registration body is called). As others have said he is an instructor, presumably qualified, and should know the Highway Code backwards, so you would be wasting your time, trying to improve his driving.
 
You might hate this.. but id go with something a bit more like this.

  • Pointing out when where and what happened
  • What the problem was
  • Your suggestions on resolution.

In a friendly and polite way :)

Dear Mr xxxxxx

I am writing to you today to bring to your attention an incident in which a friend and I on horseback had a near miss with one of your vehicles on the 15/12/2013 at 12.45 en route to xxxx at approximately xxxxx lane

The incident in question resulted in both riders and horses, as well as other road users being placed in danger due to the incorrect over take manoeuvre being performed. I am sure you are more than well aware of the correct manoeuvre, and it was very fortunate that this didn’t result in an accident.
I would be greatly obliged if you could advise the pupil or supervisor who was driving at the time that their actions could have had serious consequences, and that horse riders are vulnerable road users, if you have not already done so.


I understand that in the nature of your business not all of your pupils will have come across horse road users before, and as a result I could forward you some website links of horse road safety campaigns if that would be helpful, although I am sure you will have access to these already.

In future we would greatly appreciate if you could please ensure that even the newest of pupils understand the unpredictable and vulnerability of horse road users, in the hope that we can all be safer out there.

Kind Regards,
xxxxxx



If you are really generous you could even point out that said pupil may come and meet your horse, to understand that both you and it are real living beings.


The other option is of course, that you don't write to him at all, and send a complaint to his governing body, and let them deal with it. Maybe the best way if you are particularly angry.
 
The owner of the car is an educator of drivers, if he is driving dangerously, or allowing others to, then the next generation of drivers will be more dangerous!

That's not really true in reality. A driving instructor, on the whole is getting a learner driver up to the standard of passing their test. You shouldn't need an instructor to tell you to slow down when passing horses, bikes etc and I'm sure in a test situation everybody would slow down. What people do after passing is a different matter.....
 
Bonny you seem to be under the assumption that people have common sense?!?! And think about things other than how late they are for a meeting or to pick their kids up etc etc

I made a few alterations to make it less accusatory, it will depend on his response what I do next…..
 
TBH I wouldn't bother writing to him, except to send him a copy of the letter of complaint that you send to the ADI (or whatever the the registration body is called). As others have said he is an instructor, presumably qualified, and should know the Highway Code backwards, so you would be wasting your time, trying to improve his driving.

This, he knows better. Report him to ADI and the police, he might take notice then.
 
I like the first 3 paragraphs of your first version and the last 2 of your second. I'd maybe also add that while you hope it won't be necessary, you will report any further incidents of dangerous or inconsiderate driving involving his vehicle to the police.

I recently sent a furious but polite email to the driver of a tour bus which does the rounds locally. I did try calling first but it's perhaps just as well no one answered because I don't think I would have managed to remain polite!
The driver/owner drove his bus towards me and a teenage friend, down the middle of a narrow lane, without slowing. We were riding in single file, both wearing hi viz and I was signalling to ask him to slow down. My young mare freaked and we ended up in a ditch (me still on board, somehow) but the idiot didn't even slow to check we were ok.
In his reply, the driver said he was driving in the middle of the road and didn't pull over to the side because he knew about the ditch. Also he thought it advisable to speed up when he realised my mare was starting to freak as he approached us so that he didn't collide with us! What I absolutely cannot get my head around is that this man has horses of his own. I now wear a helmet cam so if he ever behaves like such a tool again I will have evidence to show the police.
 
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Bonny you seem to be under the assumption that people have common sense?!?! And think about things other than how late they are for a meeting or to pick their kids up etc etc

I made a few alterations to make it less accusatory, it will depend on his response what I do next…..

Nothing could be further from the truth, I think a lot of people are sadly lacking in the common sense department which is why I said people drive too dangerously in a lot of situations, what I don't think you can do is lecture people into changing their ways.
 
Life has taught me that writing letters and making this type of complaint will do nothing to help the situation but could potentially make it worse.

Any letter received, no matter how nice it is, will not be taken as a lovely gesture and the risk is that, even if the driving instructor does always then slow down for horses and teach his pupils to, he will also harbour a general resentment, if he doesn't already do so. Pupils will pick up on this, some will think it is right and a new generation of drivers against horses is born.

Honestly, if it were dangerous, I would report it to the police as I would any driver. If they contact him, he will at least then know that any future complaints will only serve to create a record against him and he will not want to take that risk.

I have only ever known letter like that end up with bad blood and poor consequences.
 
That's not really true in reality. A driving instructor, on the whole is getting a learner driver up to the standard of passing their test. You shouldn't need an instructor to tell you to slow down when passing horses, bikes etc and I'm sure in a test situation everybody would slow down. What people do after passing is a different matter.....

That may be your iterpretation, my understanding is that legally the driving instructor teaches people to drive NOT to pass their test.
 
That may be your iterpretation, my understanding is that legally the driving instructor teaches people to drive NOT to pass their test.

I think most people want to have the minimum number of lessons to pass their test and on the whole people learn to drive and to cope with different conditions afterwards. Lessons are all about passing, nothing else, hence the practicing different aspects of the test. The theory test covers hazards etc but it's not done on the road so not very real.
 
Bonny you seem to be under the assumption that people have common sense?!?! And think about things other than how late they are for a meeting or to pick their kids up etc etc

I made a few alterations to make it less accusatory, it will depend on his response what I do next…..

I don't think you should let it go, they need to be made aware of the careless driving. What I would advise is get a helmet cam for the future so you have video evidence. This wont help you with this encounter though.

This is what a friend did to a coach company who drove past her horse so close it brushed her elbow. She phoned the company told them what happened, said she had the license plate time of incident etc etc. Said if this happened again she will go to the police and make a claim with the details etc.. She then wrote a letter to the company along the same lines and Bcc and CC a copy to police though she did not send theirs. She got an apology back and said driver was pulled up for it and since then they are more careful.

I phoned a certain gardening company who should know better as they are in a road with 4 yards in and said the same thing. They apologised most humbly and said they would deal with the matter. Past them many times since and no problem.

You will always get some who are opposed to confront issues. I think these persons involved need it explaining how dangerous their action was which could have resulted in fatalities.
 
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I don't think you should let it go, they need to be made aware of the careless driving. What I would advise is get a helmet cam for the future so you have video evidence. This wont help you with this encounter though.

This is what a friend did to a coach company who drove past her horse so close it brushed her elbow. She phoned the company told them what happened, said she had the license plate time of incident etc etc. Said if this happened again she will go to the police and make a claim with the details etc.. She then wrote a letter to the company along the same lines and Bcc and CC a copy to police though she did not send theirs. She got an apology back and said driver was pulled up for it and since then they are more careful. I phoned a certain gardening company who should know better as they are in a road with 4 yards in and said the same thing. They apologized most humbly and said they would deal with the matter. Past them many times since and no problem.

You will always get some who are opposed to confront issues. I think these persons involved need it explaining how dangerous their action was which could have resulted in fatalities.

See, I don't think people need anyone explaining that their actions could be dangerous, they either know and amend their ways or carry on regardless until something bad actually happens. That's just human nature, same as explaining why we have speed limits etc doesn't stop people breaking the law daily. In the OP's post, nothing actually went wrong and explaining to a driver that it might have done does nothing but put his back up. Roads can be dangerous, that's the reality, tomorrow it might be someone else going too fast, their are millions of drivers out there....
 
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