what would you do/would you be put off?

FrankieCob said:
And honestly, if you dont own your own facilities, its not really acceptable to keep a stallion on a normal run of the mill livery yard
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Why??? ive seem more geldings & mares who are harder to manage and work with on a livery yards than most of the stallions I've met.
 
bramblesmum said:
What people need to realise is mares are entire too and a well behaved stallion (and I agree many may not be but mine is) is less temperamental than a mare
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True but I fail to see the relevance in this context. In the UK we (mostly) ride mares and geldings. Stallions were kept by professionals for breeding. They seem to be a bit of a statement these days. There's no real reason for yours not to be gelded, unless you're going back to breeding again? With the TB mares? All some people have done is point out that gelding will open up many more yards for you.
 
pinkypug1 said:
Why??? ive seem more geldings & mares who are harder to manage and work with on a livery yards than most of the stallions I've met.
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Most mare owners don't want to run the risk of their mares jumping in with a stallion so a yard that accepts one stallion may find that many mare owners (potential clients) don't want to be on their yard. Accepting one stallion on your yard will limit your client base. Especially if it's a regular livery yard with a mix of people and abilities.
 
Blurr said:
Most mare owners don't want to run the risk of their mares jumping in with a stallion so a yard that accepts one stallion may find that many mare owners (potential clients) don't want to be on their yard. Accepting one stallion on your yard will limit your client base. Especially if it's a regular livery yard with a mix of people and abilities.
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in my experience this hasnt been the case. The the yard I livery at is the best in the area & has a waiting list. It is also a riding school & the stallion in question is managed correctly & turnout is away from mares in the company of a few suitable geldings. I Suppose it depends on the size & facilities available at the livery yard as not will suit a stallion. I have a mare on the yard & have no concerns :)
 
Blurr said:
All some people have done is point out that gelding will open up many more yards for you.
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And all OP has said is gelding isnt an option so why can't people drop it??

It really is no one's business as to why the horse is kept entire, the horse is happy and healthy.

I have no idea why there is such hysterics over entire horses, so what? Anyone would think they are fire breathing dragons, if well trained there's no reason they should be viewed any different. Yes they have to have a different set up but if yards are willing to do that it's up to them.

Whoever said that if you have a sharer for a stallion you shouldn't have one.. Simply the most ridiculous comment I have read in a good while.
 
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risky business said:
Whoever said that if you have a sharer for a stallion you shouldn't have one.. Simply the most ridiculous comment I have read in a good while.
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Really? The stallion can be the loveliest, easiest horse in the world, but the things I see people do on livery yards on a daily basis is unbelievable. I have no issues with stallions, nor do I think they are fire breathing dragons. But they do require a degree of common sense that most people seem to lack on yards.

And I do think it is completely ridiculous to keep one on an ordinary yard with a 16yr old in charge of it. At my yard 16yr olds are only allowed if accompanied by an adult at all times, and thats for a very good reason!
 
I do appreciate all comments that have been constructive as the vast majority have be positive I am hoping that may well be the case and that new livery has the wrong end of the stick they provide his feed so will chat about it blurr I appreciate you feel gelding is appropriate unfortunately I don't and I know the animal have had him examined numerous times and have reached a conclusion with full facts you are allowed a differing opinion as am I please can we drop the "gelding" issue as it is irrelevant as it is not happening as his owner that is my choice to make and should is reduce yards we can look at so be it
 
bramblesmum said:
Frankiecob assumptions yet again sharer has one or two adults with her at all times
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Good, it's nice to know her parents are so involved but is this the same 16 year old that was sharing last year and you were worried about as they were exercising your stallion inappropriately (jumping before fittening)?
 
FrankieCob said:
Really? The stallion can be the loveliest, easiest horse in the world, but the things I see people do on livery yards on a daily basis is unbelievable. I have no issues with stallions, nor do I think they are fire breathing dragons. But they do require a degree of common sense that most people seem to lack on yards.

And I do think it is completely ridiculous to keep one on an ordinary yard with a 16yr old in charge of it. At my yard 16yr olds are only allowed if accompanied by an adult at all times, and thats for a very good reason!
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I was responding to the fact that if you need a sharer you shouldn't have a stallion. Yes that is a ridiculous comment.

I cannot be asked to go on about stallions on yards, to me if the set up is suitable to keep a stallion then it really shouldn't be an issue.

I'm actually off to ride my pony now and do something constructive!
 
If you and your horse are happy, just keep an eye on things at the yard. 30 horses is a lot, and if they've got more than they can manage easily, things might well be going downhill and it may be worth jumping ship.

As for 16-year olds on yard, I'm glad I wasn't at one where 16-year olds had to be accompanied by an adult at all times when I was that age. Under Colorado law, I was deemed mature enough to *drive* myself there.
 
I think I would be inclined to stay and keep a close eye on things, people exaggerate wildly sometimes and think its tough to be seen as unkind to an animal or person - it may not be as reported at all, you could always take the staff member aside and say you are concerned and ask for their exact side of the story
 
Personally I'd move to yard 2 but purely for the better turnout.

However if you're fairly happy there and he's happy, then stay. I would however keep a closer eye on the handling from the YO, as often things can be blown out of proportion. The hard feed isn't a big deal, as my gypsy cob only gets a token (no bigger than what our hamster gets) and even then, he's a little round lol. They literally live on air, so I personally wouldn't push for more than he's getting

I'd take a good listen to your gut Feeling to make the decision
 
bramblesmum said:
I think what's holding me back is both pony and I have settled really well at current yard and I haven't see this bad handling myself another livery told me it's really had me upset as no yard is perfect and the winter turnout is the compromise but my pony does cope with it well it's why I'm so torn I think
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If you have yard 2 as an alternative, I would have a quiet friendly word with YO at yard 1 - see if you can tactfully get her side of the story, bet she feels over-worked, over-critisised, cold, bored and fed up at this time of year. I think though that your horse would have told you if he had been battered, but maybe best to see if you can manage situation?
 
I had no problem finding a yard for my stallion, I did however have issues with people and the 'Stallion' status, Even to the point of getting phone calls because he was out of his field... when we were standing in the field with him!!
He has been cut for 2 years now, but it was a tough one to do and I did think about the possible complications, scared the hell out of me and he did bleed a lot when he was eventually gelded, he is in with my others now, which makes life easier for us, and he is well socialised now a very happy horse :D

Weigh up your choices, and id speak to the person directly, don't take hearsay as fact, everything can get twisted (Just like the above situation) find out what really happened and go from there.

Good luck with whatever you decide :)
 
Yard 2 does sound better however I would stick Yard 1 out for a bit longer and give them the benefit of the doubt. It sounds like it may be an exaggeration on the other liveries part!
I don't see a problem with you keeping a stallion for no ones benefit other than your own. He sounds as if the correct care and management is in place for him. I also don't think a 16 year old is too young to share him either, I used to be on my own with horses all the time when I was about 10 years old and coped fine... Not saying that's the right thing but if shes a sensible 16 year old then why not?
Also it bugs me when people have to 'stalk' the op to see what previous threads/comments she has made just so they can score brownie points against them. The op didn't ask for any advice about gelding or the fact the pony is entire to be discussed so people should be more respectful really! I don't normally chip in but sometimes I feel like people are too quick to judge other so I just wanted my little say really.
 
If it were me, I'd move without question, but I don't know the full situation.

I guess all I can say is I hope it works out for the best :)
 
give yard 1 a chance and keep an eye out for the rough treatment, if you're happy there. Personally I would go for yard 2 but I like having more turnout.
Irrelevant but we've had up to 4 entires at our livery and the only problems we had was a certain person putting them back in their stables if they even looked across the fenceline at anything. (there was no one they could get to and we're turned out with appropriate company. Two of them were turned out together- not my choice before anyone jumps on me). People seem terrified of even the word stallion. I have a lovely lad in for showing who's quiet as a lamb yet people see the horseshoe bit and start screaming for people to get out of his way. They were very snotty at his last show that I was warming in in the general warm up and not under a rock somewhere.
 
I wouldn't be happy keeping a horse at a yard where it could possibly trample over/get too close to the wheelbarrow while someone was mucking out. I prefer to keep my horses where the horses' h&s are paramount.
 
With all this stallion talk, has nobody actually thought of a baby, alone, sleeping in a car whilst parent is on the yard!
Jeez, that scares me.
Sorry, op, I am very overprotective and just want to say you are very brave.
For me, it would be no yards at all if I had to leave my baby in a car.
Don't mean to offend, we are all different....goes to wrap my baby in cotton wool and bubble wrap, lol.x
 
Cherrydan said:
With all this stallion talk, has nobody actually thought of a baby, alone, sleeping in a car whilst parent is on the yard!
Jeez, that scares me.
Sorry, op, I am very overprotective and just want to say you are very brave.
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I don't think that's overprotective, just normal! I wouldn't be able to take my eyes off the car.
 
The car is parked right next to my stable so is no different than him being in the pushchair just eliminates the cold issue I also check on him regularly however now he is more awake in the day and I have him out with me all the time as he enjoys being around the horses and loves my boy and my boy loves him is exceptionally gentle and caring around him. My hv knows how I have been doing things at the yard as it was her suggestion to leave in car as long as visible x I do understand your concern though if the car was miles away it would be different

I am staying put the yard I believe has been delt a rough blow by new livery who misinterpreted the situation my boy is very happy here and they are lovely to us so we will keep an eye and enjoy. Sadly I heard the rumour when feeling a little frayed with little one so panicked.

I do appreciate all your thoughts and thank you for your help all food for thought x
 
FrankieCob said:
Because her current yard couldn't sound any more unsuitable for a stallion, the second yard isnt perfect, and because hes a stallion I cant imagine she has many more options. And honestly, if you dont own your own facilities, its not really acceptable to keep a stallion on a normal run of the mill livery yard, or in all probability, acceptable to keep a stallion at all especially if you need sharers to do that!
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Never heard so much judgemental rubbish in my life.
Please, if you can't be nice, be quiet.
 
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