What would you do?

[hairycob]

This might seem a bit blunt but you said you don't trust him with your daughter on so presumably you are worried she would be seriously hurt or even killed. How would your daughter get on if her Mum was seriously hurt or killed?
You sound like you feel guilty at the prospect of losing money that, as a family, you have probably had to work hard to get & I can really understand that, but there are worse things to lose & sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and say to yourself "It's only money". I suspect that once you have made your decision you will feel the weight lift from your shoulders.

 

[Jericho]

Such a horrible situation for you. I know how you feel - on the good days you feel like you should perservere but I tend to agree with the others - he needs to go to someone who can deal with these issues and not lose confidence. You didnt want a project so you shouldnt feel bad about not wanting one now. I agree also that you should contact the dealer and see what they say - you might get a feeling that they wouldnt buy the horse back no matter what and therefore something definitely not adding up. ( I have heard horses being starved and kept away from water for a few hours prior to viewing to keep them calm rather than being doped....)

So I would sell on in summary. Horses are an expensive hobby if you dont enjoy them.....and there will be the right one out there for you. I have had two not so good ones going from calmy to loopy and recently found one on loan who has been a star from the start and never changed personality at all so they are out there.

Good luck

 

[ForeverBroke_]

Well done for getting the situation under wraps.

I have a rearer - and if I'd known what he was like 4 months earlier down the line, he'd never have stayed

Luckily/ Unlucklily I had gotten too attached

We've worked through it and I now know what to expect and its a very irregular thing for him to do.

But like I said, good that you can steer clear while you still can! Good luck

 

[Rudey]

yes, very slowly my ankle is beginning to make gradual progress thank you

. It has been a MASSIVE eye opener for me, and made me appreciate how dangerous horses really are!!

.... and how ruddy heavy they are too lmaooo

I am soooo pleased to hear that the dealers are prepared to take the horse back off your hands.

Such a relief for you! Good luck at finding the right horse, better luck next time sweet xxx

 

[Magicmillbrook]

Speak to the dealer. He sounds like he has been fair so far, If he wont refund you he may exchange or sell on your behalf. I think I would speak to him before I got bloods tested.

I think you have already decided the horse isnt right. We did a similar thing over 3 years ago. Horse was trialled at dealers hyard over the course of a half term. 15 year old daughter had a lesson on her, hacked her, everything was fine, horse was a dream. However once she was home and not being ridden daily by experienced firm riders she was a bit of a cow pat.

We ummed and ahhred, Daughter perservered and got the mare going quite well, but she just want 'the one'. We finaly sold her in July (2 half years after buying her). It was heart wrenching, but - we now have a lovely young cob, we have had her nearly 4 months and she is green but so honest and generous, just what we wanted and we cant imagine life without her now. Hope you get this sorted out. Try not to feel to demoralised by the whole thing (although I did) it will come good in the end.

 

[Sarah Sum1]

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This might seem a bit blunt but you said you don't trust him with your daughter on so presumably you are worried she would be seriously hurt or even killed. How would your daughter get on if her Mum was seriously hurt or killed?
You sound like you feel guilty at the prospect of losing money that, as a family, you have probably had to work hard to get & I can really understand that, but there are worse things to lose & sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and say to yourself "It's only money". I suspect that once you have made your decision you will feel the weight lift from your shoulders.

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He is being sent back now.

 

[Mithras]

Like everyone else, I would return the horse and be quite insistent that the dealer doesn't want you telling everyone about the injuries you or your daughter sustained after buying a horse from him. Doesn't sound as if this horse will ever settle enough to be the fun horse you were looking for, even if it did improve. YOu don't describe the rearing, half rears wouldn't bother me too much but if its not full rears, with this horse it sounds as though it could develop into. Even if you lose your £3000 it would hardly be as bad as a serious injury, would it? There are plenty of horses out there which don't do this, go and get one of them and pass this horse onto someone who can deal with him in an appropriate way. Personally I'd also insist on getting the bloods tested, out of interest. Not much point in having them if you don't in situations like this. Once you make the decision to take positive action I think you will feel much better. Its no fun to dread riding a horse, thats not the way it should be!

 

[Sarah Sum1]

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yes, very slowly my ankle is beginning to make gradual progress thank you

. It has been a MASSIVE eye opener for me, and made me appreciate how dangerous horses really are!!

.... and how ruddy heavy they are too lmaooo

I am soooo pleased to hear that the dealers are prepared to take the horse back off your hands.

Such a relief for you! Good luck at finding the right horse, better luck next time sweet xxx

[/ QUOTE ]

So glas you are on the mend!! Yes i am so pleased they are taking him back (selling on my behalf) thanks for the comments

x

 

[jenh166]

Plan of action:
1. Phone dealer - don't be accusatory, just try and ask if he'd ever shown any nervous/nuaghty signs with them, and do they know his history before he was with them?
2. Talk to your vet who did the vetting - explain the problems you're having. Is there a reason why he/she put v calm temperament on form (to cover yours and his back if things went wrong - did he suspect sedatives at the time...?)
3. Between you and your vet, decide whether to run bloods for sedatives - if this comes back +ve you will have a case against your dealer regardless of whether warranty has run out. (and yes, you can tell if a horse was dehydrated on fresh blood by a raised PCV, but not sure if this works on stored blood)
Good luck.

 

[Sarah Sum1]

Thanks for the replys everyone, i have spoken to dealer and he is going back. It is the right thing to do, thanks again for all the replys.

 

[cptrayes]

Good, he should go back. But as for losing money on him, that is not right. First, the "warranty" is completely irrelevant in terms of your legal rights. The "good" , in this case a horse, MUST be "fit for purpose". Not "the dealer must know it's fit for purpose" but it must BE fit for purpose, whether the dealer knew it was or not. It is completely irrelevant that the horse was quiet when you tried him, and that the dealer quite likely didn't know he would do this in a less experienced home. There is case law on this, it sounds hard on a dealer but that's the law.

So, if the dealer knew that you were not experienced in dealing with problem horses, and particularly if you told him that your novice 15 year old daughter would be riding him, then you are ENTITLED to a full refund. No ifs, no buts, that's the law.

If in doubt, Trading Standards might help you and a lawyer certainly would. But lose £3,000 - no way. Please don't let the dealer bully you into accepting that.

 

[Sarah Sum1]

They are saying they will sell him for me on my behalf, so i won't lose any money. Guess this is okay. If they can do this it will save hassle of solicitors etc

 

[soulfull]

no it could take forever to sell him

 

[cptrayes]

How much commission are they planning to take from you when he sells? Will you have to pay livery until he sells? How long do they say he will take to sell?

If you are happy with the answers to those questions, then the low-stress route will be to let them sell him. Make no mistake though, in law you are entitled to a refund.

I hope it all goes OK for you, you've made the right decision not to carry on with him.

 

[PeterNatt]

Get the dealer to give you a full refund. Do not accept another horse from them.

 

[Rudey]

I agree with the last three posts above! I know people trying to sell their horses, and they are just not selling at the minute! Plus with it coming up to Christmas, pennies get tight. He might just not sell, for a l-o-n-g time!

Not a nice position to be in, but I think you are going to have to be strong and assertive with the dealers.

They're not stupid, they know you have the right to your full money back. They are trying it on.

Good luck, and chin up