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my 3 year friesian , is newly sat on
i was going to sell but cant do it , and had come to the discussion to send him away for full backing due to lack of help now, then returned to me ,
i was looking online where a international dressage rider was looking for a full loan and wanted a youngster , i thought my horse would suit him down to the ground
as he want something newly backed he could work with and compete at the highest of levels later on
he came out the other day and defiantly said he is perfect , and my horse defiantly had the dressage appeal and defiantly would no dought make it to the top
(good as this is what i want for my horse )
anyway i asked about lease side of things and he sent me this


Hi emma, appologies for nt getting bk to you any sooner, i was planning to write up a normal loan horse document and just add to it, about schooling and competition riding, i wil nt require any financial input from yourself, since i have already agreed to take ace on as a full time project . . . . . I am aware that he wil be registered with bd and wil cover this cost aswell. . . I wil need his documents to register him with my insurance company too as he wil then be covered at hme aswell as at competitions. . . . Eventually i am aware that he wil cover his own self which is good and therefore he wil take financial input from myself in time this would be the plan, at the time being i am happy to invest time and finances that i have into him as a future dressage star!

so even tho he will be training my horse up and using him in dressage shows etc and having on full loan do you think it be wrong of me to ask for a payment each week
 
Well the usual situation with international riders is that you pay them to take your horse on... All sounds a bit odd to me!
 
I do not know a single professional rider who would entertain entering into this agreement. Mostly you pay them to ride your horse...the only time lease comes into it is if you have a proven horse at a proven level which you then lease to someone with a specific aim in mind, lets say Young Riders - it's a time-limited thing where the rider needs a horse at a specific level. A just backed youngster - no chance! You might be able to loan a youngster out to someone who has competed at a high level, does not ride professionally and can't afford to buy, but you'd never lease one!

Who is the rider? Have you googled them and looked up their BD record? (I assume you have!)
 
Like SC says, WOW, never heard of anything like that before in my life! I would want a LOT of references and recommendations. There is no way in the world that a pro would take a horse on, pay for everything and then pay YOU on top, just wouldn't happen. Also, what if you took the horse back in a year? Is he going to charge you all the outgoings during that time? Hmmmm fishy one this!
 
References I will be getting
And do all
My best to find out , there is no way he's leaving till I'm satisfied
 
I would be rather concerned that your horse will disappear in the night TBH. I know a lot of top dressage riders, which is odd as I don't do dressage, but anyway, if you want to PM me the name I can do some digging for you :)
 
As to the taking back
He sayed he would want to compete
Him at a level he wants then if I wanted back then so be it he said all would be written In a agreement
 
Weezy I was going to say the exact same thing, then thought I was being overly cynical. I did hear about someone sending a horse for sales livery, to someone who then claimed they'd been given the horse....not a pretty result.
 
Sounds fishy. Not sure how it generally works with loan horses and passports, but if he has his passport, then there is nothing stopping him selling him on???
 
The passport has to stay with the horse, he can't legally travel without it. It is not proof of ownership, and with most passport issuing authorities you can flag that the horse is on loan and no change of ownership should be approved. TBH it's so damn easy to get a passport for a horse that already has one, that is the least of your worries! If you don't trust the person enough to have the passport, why on earth would you let them have the horse?!
 
To be honest this is why I've been doing research on this rider
I'm not just going to hand over my horse just like that , like many people do and dont even check who there going to or where there going
Which is why I'm not letting him out my sight till full checks are done and I'm am happy
If breezy came back which she has on a few things then all manor of full loan will be terminated
 
SpottedCat said:
Who is the rider? Have you googled them and looked up their BD record? (I assume you have!)
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This , it's free and easy to check out their BD record if you are a member which many on here are if you are not, myself included.

For the record I'm only a lowly BD rider, but I would still charge to ride in this sort of scenario and have done so in the past!

I cannot believe for a moment this person is for real, sorry.
 
Definately this sounds very, very fishy!! I considered sending my mare off to a successful amateur rider to have her brought on through the dressage grades as I dont have the ability or inclination to do it myself, but she is very talented in that area!! The proposed agreement with ALL of them was (at least) that I cover her upkeep, registrations, insurance and entries and in return they would compete her and train her and get her to all the shows. It was going to work out too expensive so I wasnt able to go ahead with it.

For an international level rider you would have to pay them a considerable amount (think "salary"!) to ride your horse. Sounds like a scam to me... Plus, if that if his email copy and pasted, it doesnt sound very professional. All of my correspondence even with the amateur riders was very formal and professional.

I'd steer well clear!!
 
He did say he had a big stable yard over abroad which he reckons his sister runs which also goes by the same name
 
I actually put this across and said many of his horses he has competed at a high level
He sends over there to his sister for a rest period
She uses them for hacking for a while then exported back here to continue training
He very much knew his stuff I'n the dressage side of things
 
As others have said... not impressed with this idea.

Also: Fresians are usually considered to mature late so I wouldn't think you really want him doing anything too much at 3 anyway. Many ppl don't back them until 4, let alone compete them.

If I was you I'd be working on desensitizing, ground work etc, etc whatever is safe for you to do. Then considering something more reputable (ask for recommendations on here) next year.
 
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