What would you pay for a youngster??

Spring Feather said:
I have no idea who is the mother and who is the daughter here nor really what you are saying tbh. You two are way too confusing :confused: Anyhow, Hollen Sun'obago isn't 3.5 years old, he's only just turned 2 years old :confused:
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mum is showley1 and he is for me daughter is in love with another, and been bad few weeks so i gonna have to be nice ?? x
 
This thread is total gibberish!

He is a very smart youngster and is going to be a serious prospect for someone, I'd have thought more in the dressage/showing workd as neither parent is bred to jump. You have a mix of two breeds there which have a reputation for not being straightforward rides- he is really going to be a top end amateurs horse until he has a a bit of an education at least....
 
Hold up - I'm totally confused? Is someone buying a 2 year old Arab x Trakhener for a 13 year old?! Wow that's brave! I love Tobago - many years ago I had plans to put him to our 3/4 RID mare, but that's going to be a fairly 'hot' combination I feel!
Not seen pictures but bound to be stunning though!
 
Agree that this is a rather confusing thread! The Holme Park mares are often gorgeous though. My current youngster is out of Holme Park Kossette. Beautiful and talented, but (as the above poster said) definitely not at all straightfoward. Also, I'm pretty sure I paid too much money for her so, in terms of what they cost, it's usually just about what you can live with ;) Hope whatever you decide works out.
 
Realistically Tobago not known for producing eventers, his stock are really only just coming out on the ridden circuit even in endurance (where arabs are more prolific), & they do have a reputation for being hot. Not ideal. So not being rude about him, he's a lovely arab, but he doesn't add value to a jumping pedigree (I own 2 arabs, but am realistic to how they are perceived, mine is a fab jumper btw). Tamarillo had a reputation for being a querky soul (friend is an event groom & worked at yard, rode him so know this was true), riders generally not looking for problems like that. Eventing not been swamped with anglos since him. Unless the dam is proven then what you have is a hacking horse, until he has proved otherwise or shown something incredibly special.

We have an ISH broodmare, that we've bred 3 foals from. Even the most expensive one sold, by Catherston Dazzler, did not make massive money. These are proven eventing bloodlines, horse was drop dead gorgeous & a stunning mover (went on with new owner to win Trailblazers Youngstock class at national finals - so I'm not biased, she is sensational). Quality does hold a price, but you either need results from parents / siblings to back up price or the most stunning horse with an impeccable temperament.

Personally, a nice horse from unproven stock I wouldn't go over 1.5k for, backed & ridden away.
 
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pip6 said:
Personally, a nice horse from unproven stock I wouldn't go over 1.5k for, backed & ridden away.
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Proven or unproven parents, a nice horse who is backed and ridden away (so presumably 4 year old) is worth at LEAST double just in the most basic of production costs. Why the hell should breeders produce nice horses and back/ride away to GIVE them away to someone who is obviously CLUELESS about what it costs??
 
I paid £700 for a 18month old thinking he wasn't going to be anything fancy, now i'm worried he will be too good for me! his full bro is doing a lot more than I care to do, and my boy is already a hand bigger than I wanted and is only just 3!!

but he will be with me forever, even if it means I pay for someone else to do the stuff I don't want to do!!
 
JanetGeorge said:
Why the hell should breeders produce nice horses and back/ride away to GIVE them away to someone who is obviously CLUELESS about what it costs??
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My thoughts entirely. I have googled this youngster and he looks lovely. There are lots of photos of him and no one has a bad word to say about him. I personally think he's a bargain at that price. I would judge his temperament by what you see in front of you, not off a forum opinion. If he's what you want then don't let any arab predujice put you off.
 
There are quite a few people on Arabianlines with Tobago offspring and they all speak very highly about their temperaments and trainability.

IIRC Tobago was showing a real aptitude for jumping and was schooling XC before he concentrated on his stud work due to a sternum injury. OK arabs aren't likely to be on an Olympic SJ team ;) but I doubt you'd be looking at a half arab if that's what you were aiming for.

Holme Park horses are really top quality animals.

Yes, you could pick up a PBA for under 1.5k, but will it be anywhere near as nice as this one?
 
Another one who is not entirely sure this thread is legit and is a little confused....

If you like the horse, go and see him, and if you think he's worth the money after meeting him then buy him and if you don't then don't. It's not about how much we would pay for a youngster. It's your money. And only you can decide how many of your hard earned pounds you would be prepared to hand over for the right horse.

ps Traks are virtually anglo arabs - there is mainly arab and TB in their history, which is why they cross so well with arabs and TBs (and indeed, approved arabs and TBs are still allowed into their studbook I believe). But they are sensitive, reactive and easily misunderstood - on the 'hotblood' side of 'warmblood'. So it's whether you get on with that stamp of horse, too.
 
JanetGeorge said:
Proven or unproven parents, a nice horse who is backed and ridden away (so presumably 4 year old) is worth at LEAST double just in the most basic of production costs. Why the hell should breeders produce nice horses and back/ride away to GIVE them away to someone who is obviously CLUELESS about what it costs??
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Which is exactly why I have decided this week to stop doing it.
 
Having known several Tobago foals and indeed being the owner of a Holme Park mare who is actually in foal to Tobago with her second foal I would say you couldn't go wrong. My mare is actually by the same sire as HP Sunbeam and so her foal last year and the one she is in foal with would be 3/4 siblings to this one. Now the last foal was not my own and so I was skeptical of the Trak x Arab mix as my mare V can be sharp (not naughty not hard to handle, just sensitive) however the resulting foal was AMAZING! Without question her best foal to date and the easiest to handle foal of the year. Trakehners are amazing horses with the stereotype of being sharp soo not fair. They are simply highly intelligent animals and don't generally suffer fools however in that same vein they are incredibly kind and loving and very eager to please. Having now had a couple myself and working closely with a Trak stallion, I would never not have one.

The same is true for all the Tobago youngsters I know of and having several friends with foal by him everyone has said the same, that they are total pleasures to handle. The person who is lucky to buy Echo will I am sure not be disappointed. End of the day given the number of breeders repeating their Tobago coverings surely says something as if these foals were hard to handle or not 'up to scratch' then the owner's wouldn't be doing the cross again....yet sooo many have!
 
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confused.com with this thread!!


youngsters are hard to price imo..... i firmly believe my youngster is worth now 3x what i paid for her - purely as shes coloured and the amount of ***** on the market atm shes much better quality and stamp....

but someone else may say her markings offend and they would give me 800 quid for her!!


the lines you have mentioned though i dont know as im not into arabs!!....


but still utterly baffled about this thread!! :D
 
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