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For essentially half of a used 12x24 field shelter? A friend of mine each contributed about £1000 to the purchase, and my husband and I did 80% of the erection/assembly work, plus provided flooring and gutters. Friend has moved her horse to a new livery closer to home for a few reasons (our horses didn't get along, her horse kept trying to destroy my fencing and pull the guttering off the shelter because he was bored, kicked a hole in the side of the field shelter having a random tantrum and it just wasn't working out for me to have a happy stress free home). We always split hay/bedding costs so that's a non-issue. However, over the course of 3 months I also provided several weeks of full livery, plus allowing her to park her car for long periods at my house. I guess I feel a little taken advantage of when it came time to discuss what I would pay to "buy her out" of her half of the field shelter. She didn't even pay for petrol when we transported her horse to the new facility on a holiday.

My husband says paying full price what she paid is overly generous, and I'm thinking he's right. But I'm not sure what would be appropriate. I haven't found many comparable used field shelters to base my offer on, so any advice would be helpful!!
 
It sounds as though she moved to your home, and kept her horse in your field, did you provide a stable too, or was the bedding costs for what you put in the shelter ? what did you agree as to the weekly livery bill ?
 
clevergirl said:
For essentially half of a used 12x24 field shelter? A friend of mine each contributed about £1000 to the purchase, and my husband and I did 80% of the erection/assembly work, plus provided flooring and gutters. Friend has moved her horse to a new livery closer to home for a few reasons (our horses didn't get along, her horse kept trying to destroy my fencing and pull the guttering off the shelter because he was bored, kicked a hole in the side of the field shelter having a random tantrum and it just wasn't working out for me to have a happy stress free home). We always split hay/bedding costs so that's a non-issue. However, over the course of 3 months I also provided several weeks of full livery, plus allowing her to park her car for long periods at my house. I guess I feel a little taken advantage of when it came time to discuss what I would pay to "buy her out" of her half of the field shelter. She didn't even pay for petrol when we transported her horse to the new facility on a holiday.

My husband says paying full price what she paid is overly generous, and I'm thinking he's right. But I'm not sure what would be appropriate. I haven't found many comparable used field shelters to base my offer on, so any advice would be helpful!!
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Much as I would also be miffed about the whole situation, I think I would - if I could afford it - give her £400/£500 and slap myself next time I considered doing something similar.

Though I am not absolutely clear, did you also put £1000 into the purchase? If so then I would give her a bit less.
 
Pay her what she wants but give her a bill for all those things and take it off what you owe her - it should work out about the same - if not exactly the same ;)
 
How old is the field shelter? Her half must obviously include the half that her horse damaged? I would tell her to put her half on the open market and see what she can get for it (Half of a whole is not worth 50% of the whole because there is no demand for half a field shelter!) - to be collected and dismantled by buyer. Then send her a bill for all your work and expenses.

My honest opinion is that her half is worthless except to you so you have the bargaining power!
 
I think it is a bit late to start looking at charging for livery, parking etc etc, it should have been tackled at the time.
Your friend is also inconvenienced as they are not at yours and would not have bought half a shelter if they did not think it would work out?
I am guessing you would have needed a shelter anyway and do still need one now?
I would be inclined give her three quarters of what she put in and use the other quarter to repair the damage her horse did.
Talk to her straight - not worth falling out over, doesn't sound like it is anyone's fault it just didn't work out.
 
Demented Elf said:
Much as I would also be miffed about the whole situation, I think I would - if I could afford it - give her £400/£500 and slap myself next time I considered doing something similar.

Though I am not absolutely clear, did you also put £1000 into the purchase? If so then I would give her a bit less.
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Yes, I paid for half of the up-front purchase. Then paid full delivery fee, stable mats, gravel, gutters, slip rails and hardware myself. And of course the labor to build- her boyfriend came out to help for about 4 hrs x 2 days, but we spent a full weekend from about 10am-5pm on the roofing and kickboard installation.

Xmas Morning Star said:
It sounds as though she moved to your home, and kept her horse in your field, did you provide a stable too, or was the bedding costs for what you put in the shelter ? what did you agree as to the weekly livery bill ?
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It was a field/shelter agreement and partial livery, with a contract stating "full livery at an agreed-upon price" which (shame on me) we never discussed- I didn't realize until I was neck-deep how often she was gone! But basically it meant daily cleaning of the boxes (because her horse still used the shelter as a toilet about 50% of the time), poo-picking the field daily, bucketing water out and cleaning 3 troughs every day because she liked him to have "free choice minerals" which included salt and magnesium water, hay nets twice a day.

I think Annagain has a great idea- I'll just do some math and if she questions what I transfer I'll give an itemized reciept and refer to the original contract and "market rate" for those ad-lib livery services. If she gets ****** with me I'll add a parking rate too.
 
twiggy2 said:
I think it is a bit late to start looking at charging for livery, parking etc etc, it should have been tackled at the time.
Your friend is also inconvenienced as they are not at yours and would not have bought half a shelter if they did not think it would work out?
I am guessing you would have needed a shelter anyway and do still need one now?
I would be inclined give her three quarters of what she put in and use the other quarter to repair the damage her horse did.
Talk to her straight - not worth falling out over, doesn't sound like it is anyone's fault it just didn't work out.
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I agree with this, the livery and such should have been sorted at the time.

I would work out what the cost of a delivered and erected field shelter would be including guttering. Then you can work out what % share her £1000 would get her.
Then estimate what a second hand shelter could reasonably expect to fetch (eBay sometimes has them). That will give you a value for her percentage, then deduct costs to make good her damage.

So for example, maybe a new delivered/erected shelter costs 3K. She then owns a third. A second hand on eBay might be £1K, of which she would be entitled to £330. Deduct material and labour for the damages and maybe £200 reasonable?
 
clevergirl said:
Yes, I paid for half of the up-front purchase. Then paid full delivery fee, stable mats, gravel, gutters, slip rails and hardware myself. And of course the labor to build- her boyfriend came out to help for about 4 hrs x 2 days, but we spent a full weekend from about 10am-5pm on the roofing and kickboard installation.



It was a field/shelter agreement and partial livery, with a contract stating "full livery at an agreed-upon price" which (shame on me) we never discussed- I didn't realize until I was neck-deep how often she was gone! But basically it meant daily cleaning of the boxes (because her horse still used the shelter as a toilet about 50% of the time), poo-picking the field daily, bucketing water out and cleaning 3 troughs every day because she liked him to have "free choice minerals" which included salt and magnesium water, hay nets twice a day.

I think Annagain has a great idea- I'll just do some math and if she questions what I transfer I'll give an itemized reciept and refer to the original contract and "market rate" for those ad-lib livery services. If she gets ****** with me I'll add a parking rate too.
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Well at least it was agreed she should pay something. Id suggest £50/week for full grass livery ( less hay and bedding costs) would make that £40/week ? So multiply that by 3 months, pretty much equals what the half of the field shelter is probably worth. See how you get on, learn from this and move on.
 
Was there any agreement to what would happen if she left? If not and you don't want to maintain a relationship, give her nothing. If there was an agreement , give her what was agreed and a bill for the repair of the damage . If there was no agreement but you want to maintain the relationship have a chat with her about it and see what you come up with. If there is no common ground then there is no relationship to save and therefore give her nothing.
 
Did she decide to leave, or did you ask her to? If you asked her to go, I think there's a moral obligation to pay more (less livery costs!), but if she made the decision to go then she can't expect you to recompense her for what was caused by her decision.

If you want to stay friends and assuming she chose to leave, I'd offer £600 (allowing for the damage - and it's effectively worthless so I think that's very fair) minus (as above) 12 weeks livery at £40 per week. If you aren't that close, I'd drop the value accordingly so that it works out at zero.
 
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