What's wrong with helping dog's in the UK?

The same thing is happening here in Italy; there's a big drive on tv to help Romanian dogs (and horses) which is great, if we've solved all our own problems first before pointing the finger at other countries for the standards of animal welfare :(
 
Scrooge said:
The same thing is happening here in Italy; there's a big drive on tv to help Romanian dogs (and horses) which is great, if we've solved all our own problems first before pointing the finger at other countries for the standards of animal welfare :(
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Well said :) Let's get our own houses in order 1st
 
I agree we have a massive problem here with dogs in rescue without more coming in from abroad, there is another rescue somewhere bringing them in from Greece as well. Unfortunately welfare abroad is not good(not that ours is wonderful) and I presume the rescuers are seeing us as the best chance of rehoming.

Personally I would prefer the money being spent on education and free neutering and spaying otherwise they are wasting their money.
 
The Original Kao said:
I came across this site on facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/Free2RunAnimalRescue

They're rescuing animals (mostly dogs) from Romania and trying to find homes for them over here.
Now surely there's enough dogs in the UK needing help and good homes without bringing in even more dogs from a different country?
I don't get it, what's wrong with charity beginning at home?
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Isn't this the same person that did it with horses then she was exposed as a scammer?
 
Dangler said:
Isn't this the same person that did it with horses then she was exposed as a scammer?
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I'm not sure about her being exposed as a scammer but yes she was involved with buying a lot of French horses that were supposedly going for meat. She's a horse dealer in Essex.

I just hope this whole 'rescue' thing isn't set up the same as the whole horse thing was with no home checks for the people buying (they classed it as rescuing but that's very debatable) and a lot of horses came over to a very uncertain future with no back up homes in place if things went wrong.
 
Dobiegirl said:
I agree we have a massive problem here with dogs in rescue without more coming in from abroad, there is another rescue somewhere bringing them in from Greece as well. Unfortunately welfare abroad is not good(not that ours is wonderful) and I presume the rescuers are seeing us as the best chance of rehoming.

Personally I would prefer the money being spent on education and free neutering and spaying otherwise they are wasting their money.
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I totally agree on that, that would be a wiser way to help those dogs over there :)
 
Another rescue based in Wales, fetches in tons of dogs from Ireland. I really think we should sort out the problems here first.
 
This is why I am also against foreign adoption of children, sort our own country out and make it easier to adopt here.

That is actually what they are looking into at last. Why people can't be bothered to look under their noses I can't understand. charity begins at home, there are kids living poverty in the UK.
 
Kaylum said:
This is why I am also against foreign adoption of children, sort our own country out and make it easier to adopt here.

That is actually what they are looking into at last. Why people can't be bothered to look under their noses I can't understand. charity begins at home, there are kids living poverty in the UK.
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Sorry but that is a bizarre analogy! Children living in poverty are NOT looking to be adopted for starters!!!!

Secondly the rules for adopting in the UK and abroad are the same in terms of the family having to be evaluated by UK social services.

Thirdly there are very, very few babies available for adoption in the UK which is why people chose to go abroad.
 
The Original Kao said:
I came across this site on facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/Free2RunAnimalRescue

They're rescuing animals (mostly dogs) from Romania and trying to find homes for them over here.
Now surely there's enough dogs in the UK needing help and good homes without bringing in even more dogs from a different country?
I don't get it, what's wrong with charity beginning at home?
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Totally agree, Greyhound Rescue very active in my area but never enough homes, my friend fosters for Dogs Trust, again never enough homes and a lady messaged me on here a couple of days ago looking for help with Whippet Rescue in Scotland. The money needed to bring dogs from Romania could help so many at home without the risk of importing disease.
 
Cuffey said:
The money needed to bring dogs from Romania could help so many at home without the risk of importing disease.
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Absolutely, and without the rabies risk!

Plus how can this be in the dogs best interest, being traveled thousands of mile to a family they have never met.

How many will be an unsuitable partnership, then be pasted on?

Who going to pick up the pieces if something does go wrong?? Not the Romanian pound/or the kennels/or the broker/or the person getting their cut from transport, no it will be the UK rescue charities and BINGO another place for a needy UK dog is filled. :(
 
Have you seen the conditions those dogs are being kept in? Or the way they are killed by the dog wardens out there?
Whilst I am all for helping animals here, those dogs are in dire need. How this can go on in an EU country I font know, mind you the orphanages are the same.
They need help educating people, neutering and improving kennels.. I will be sending food out to them, at least the dogs here are fed.
 
pricklyflower said:
Read today someone's reaon for adopting a dog from Romania (via this site) was because a UK dogs home wouldnt let her adopt a dog.
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It's about time the big UK rescues woke up to this, just because a person works does not make them an unsuitable home!!! It's appaling that they would rather deny a suitable home for a special needs dog and force that person to go buy a puppy!!! So yes dogs at home need fixing first we are overproducing popular breeds and mongrel crosses like mad but they don't suit everyone and not everyone wants a retired greyhound!
Desease potential worrys me hugely, the UK does not see huge amounts of canine disease, but bringng these dogs in without proper controls could change that.
 
pricklyflower said:
Read today someone's reaon for adopting a dog from Romania (via this site) was because a UK dogs home wouldnt let her adopt a dog.
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Surely that should be a bit of a red flag for the place letting them have the Romanian dog?
I know full well that some rescues turn people down for what would seem to be silly reasons but what if they were turned down for some major reasons :o
 
Couldn't agree more about helping dogs in the UK, it would also concern me that these dogs could bring disease into the country. One of my pups is going out to Spain, there is quite a lot of paperwork, chipping, vaccination etc which is time consuming and costly. I would imagine far more would be needed coming from Rumania into the UK , being cynical I do wonder if the people shipping these rescues over are doing everything they should or perhaps cutting corners.:(
 
This country is just ending up as a dumping ground for humans and animals alike we are just too soft unfortunately they cannot all be saved and we will shortly be reduced to other Countries levels:mad:
 
Just as some rescues turn down what seem to be very suitable homes, they also turn down highly unsuitable ones....it could be this lady is highly unsuitable but these romanian dogs are literally going to anyone who will take one, it could end up like another fashiob accessory and they will end up in an equal peril here. I do wonder what the “back up process is“ for these poor dogs. They will probably end up on gum tree:(
 
The Original Kao said:
I'm not sure about her being exposed as a scammer but yes she was involved with buying a lot of French horses that were supposedly going for meat. She's a horse dealer in Essex.

I just hope this whole 'rescue' thing isn't set up the same as the whole horse thing was with no home checks for the people buying (they classed it as rescuing but that's very debatable) and a lot of horses came over to a very uncertain future with no back up homes in place if things went wrong.
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Does this dealer name begin with a 'R' without naming anyone, if so my horse came from their, i always wondered if this was true? the lady stabled next to me also had one from their and her horse has been lame since 3 months after buying her. I heard that she 'rescued horses' that had issues and resold them over here?
 
Mypinkpony said:
Does this dealer name begin with a 'R' without naming anyone, if so my horse came from their, i always wondered if this was true? the lady stabled next to me also had one from their and her horse has been lame since 3 months after buying her. I heard that she 'rescued horses' that had issues and resold them over here?
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Sorry i didn't really think, i've kinda hijacked the thread...you can PM me Kao if you like?

And i meant there not their :eek:

On regards to the actual thread i worked in greece for 4 months a few years ago and one evening i found this poor little puppy with a huge gash through to his skull :mad: I kept him, nursed him back to health with the help of the local dog loving chemist and he became my best little mate out there, so loyal and trusting, came everywhere with me, no lead, rode inbetween my legs on my mo-ped he was absolutly great....I tried everything to get him back (i still cry now about him and it was 6 years ago) but it was impossible without 6 months quarentine(which i don't believe any dog will come out the same from)....i don't understand how they are doing it? I found him a home out there with a greek guy and as much as he wouldn't care for him how i wanted, he was looked after/fed and not on the streets which was the best i could do for him. I saw the strays and poor dogs out there and completly understand why the charity is trying to do what they are doing, it's heartbreaking....BUT....bringing them over here is not the way, there is 100's PTS in the UK as they do not have homes, more will only make the situation worse. It should be about opening rescue centres over there and trying to appeal to the people of the countries to do something about it. The amount of money they must spend bringing them over i'm sure could do a lot of good out there.

Here's the one and only picture of my little Simba, he was about 2 months when i found him and about 4/5 months in this picture just before i had to come home, is head was all healed by then :D

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God i miss him :-(
 
Mypinkpony said:
Sorry i didn't really think, i've kinda hijacked the thread...you can PM me Kao if you like?

And i meant there not their :eek:

On regards to the actual thread i worked in greece for 4 months a few years ago and one evening i found this poor little puppy with a huge gash through to his skull :mad: I kept him, nursed him back to health with the help of the local dog loving chemist and he became my best little mate out there, so loyal and trusting, came everywhere with me, no lead, rode inbetween my legs on my mo-ped he was absolutly great....I tried everything to get him back (i still cry now about him and it was 6 years ago) but it was impossible without 6 months quarentine(which i don't believe any dog will come out the same from)....i don't understand how they are doing it? I found him a home out there with a greek guy and as much as he wouldn't care for him how i wanted, he was looked after/fed and not on the streets which was the best i could do for him. I saw the strays and poor dogs out there and completly understand why the charity is trying to do what they are doing, it's heartbreaking....BUT....bringing them over here is not the way, there is 100's PTS in the UK as they do not have homes, more will only make the situation worse. It should be about opening rescue centres over there and trying to appeal to the people of the countries to do something about it. The amount of money they must spend bringing them over i'm sure could do a lot of good out there.

Here's the one and only picture of my little Simba, he was about 2 months when i found him and about 4/5 months in this picture just before i had to come home, is head was all healed by then :D

Iphone.jpg

God i miss him :-(
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Awww he is seriously cute :D
I can totally see why you would've liked to have brought him over, but you were there with the dog, knew his nature, issues and needs. I'm glad you were sensible tho and found him a good home over there :D
The people who are 'rescuing' these Romanian dogs know nothing about them other than what someone has told them. Cayla has it spot on, the back up for these dogs will be gumtree or our already over run rescues :(
 
Really, really, really needs to be laws in place to ban this sort of thing. It's just monstrous.

And the amounts of money that must be being exchanged are probably breathtaking.....
 
Since the requirements for transport of animals within the EU changed this year quarantine is unfortunately no longer required in order to bring dogs into the UK and Ireland from European union Countries.

Rabies injection and titre verified by specific labs 3 months later. Plus treatment for specific types of tapeworms and ticks by a vet within a timeframe of travel, is however is now a requirement as well as microchipping.... Quarantine is gone within the EU for pet animals.

However this only works if it is enforced at the airports and in particular the ports...and that all passports and chips are checked as matching each dog as they enter the country....

For those of you who travel through the ports with your pets how often has your dog being noted and have you being asked for identification? and it checked against your pet?
Now ask yourself is it likely that van load or a truck load of dogs are going to all be checked? and in a for profit situation do you think that people will follow the letter of the law..or will they take the chance to cut corners?

Personally having read through the changes and as I dont see the best in people even at the best of times.The main thing I have decided on is that its time for myself get the rabies vaccination and I will be encouraging anyone who works with animals to consider it as well.It seems like that the UK in particular will be a ticking time-bomb for the disease.
Especially with the amount of animals you bring into the countries from rescues etc...

Link to the legislation
http://rbe.fli.bund.de/Travel/Pet_Travel_Regulations.aspx

Rabies is still found within the european union.Romania as it happens it still a rabies active zone and its not the only country.
 
How many of the people saying that we have enough rescue dogs in the UK have actually rescued one themselves? If you haven't then you have no right to tell anyone else where they have to rescue theirs from.

And if you have, I still don't think you have any right.
 
Archie66 said:
How many of the people saying that we have enough rescue dogs in the UK have actually rescued one themselves? If you haven't then you have no right to tell anyone else where they have to rescue theirs from.

And if you have, I still don't think you have any right.
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Actually most of the posters on this thread have rescued, rehabilitated or fostered rescue dogs, some actively rescue.
We all have the right to be concerned about dogs being shipped from other countries under the guise of rescue especially when doing so compromises the chances of dogs in rescue here and risks the health of the UK dog population. (Quite apart from handing money to known scammers)

Why does anyone "rescue" a dog from abroad? There are better uses for the funds.
 
I live in an eastern european country where strays are exported to other countries. The conditions in the charities are not what you would expect in the UK. Often hygene/isolation of the sick is not observed very well and parvo and other diseases are rife. The charities do their best in very difficult conditions and do try their best for the animals. The charities I know do no home checks. You want a dog/cat - you pay for it then its yours. No follow up or anything like that. Often animals go out to new homes un-neutered.

Mainly I have heard of dogs being exported to Scandinavia (as apparently there are not many/any rescue dogs) and also Germany - though I know nothing about the rescue dog population there.

Britain has enough of a problem I agree with that. I suppose overseas may be attractive as no checks and also a big variety in breed and type avaliable, so a lot of choice for someone that wants to rescue a dog and can't find the breed they want here. And attractive for puppy mills - pedigree dog cheap. I do think sending dogs to countries such as Scandinavia where there are very few strays up for adoption is sensible - possibly even for charities in the UK to consider in the right circumstances. It gives a dog a good home and the adopter can rescue instead of getting a pedigree puppy. Regarding the ones I have heard of going to Scandinavia it is taken seriously by the adopters who want to rescue a dog and will put effort into rehabilitating it.
 
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Archie66 said:
How many of the people saying that we have enough rescue dogs in the UK have actually rescued one themselves? If you haven't then you have no right to tell anyone else where they have to rescue theirs from.

And if you have, I still don't think you have any right.
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I like the way you contradicted yourself:rolleyes: as S4sugar said most of the people on here have rescue dogs or run a rescue etc. Whether we have or not though we still have the right( its called freedom of speech) to express an opinion and if that is an opinion you disagree with then hard cheese.

Fact we have too many dogs here in rescue and some of these are being killed as there are not enough homes for them so its obvious why bring in more.

What is your answer to that.
 
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