When do you think it’s time to give up horses yard messing about

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Morning had a message from a friend who wanted me to post this for her.

Hi Mary, please send this. I am unsure if it’s time for me to give up the horses. I am struggling with my health to look after them and I don’t ride like I used to. I have limited enjoyment as I can’t compete anymore and I rarely ride. I used to ride at least twice a day now I am lucky if I ride 3 days a week. But on the other had they are what keeps me happy even when I go snuggle them and motivated to some extent the only reason I go to work. However they cause me a lot of stress of relying on other people to care for them as I physically can’t. I love them both and it would break my heart to see them go but my family keep telling me they aren’t helping the situation and they are causing more stress.

As you know this last months And a bit have been very difficult. As you remember me saying that the yard girl that does the schooling at the yard had been chucked off and broken her arm. That the YO said she couldn’t get a replacement to work the horse while the Girl was recovering. She said we had find a freelance to do them that she would allow until the girl recovered . We couldn’t find anyone willing to work them both for more than two days a week which isn’t enough as it’s not possible for to do the rest. Luckily the the mum and daughter pair that I am friends with on the yard amazingly stepped up and offered to work Tommy the older and better behaved one three days a week. Which was amazing they have been great been around to help me get on etc which the girls usually do but have been to busy. We thought this would make it easier to find a freelance to fit the other in more but it was harder.

Anyway we tried to leave Billy out without work but it sent him nuts and made him very difficult to handle. I spoke to the yard owner as my friends on a yard that does schooling. She said they had room for 4 weeks and she would keep an eye on him. It’s an over an hour away so I could only go every other week . The YO agreed this was the best solution but wanted a holding fee for his stable. Which I begrudgingly agreed to this Is the same price as she charges part livery £65 . But I agreed as it was only for 4 weeks and we couldn’t go on as we where.

So all was fine on the 3rd week I began making arrangements to bring him back. I told the yard owner which date he would be back. She then said the grooms got to have a pot on two more weeks can he stay longer . The schooling yard said it was fine but he must go after the 2 more weeks as she had horses coming back and need the stable. The yard owner also asked if she could move him into a different stable as she had a big 16hand horse moving on to the yard. The stable is on the same block as my other one is smaller but a nicer stable so I agreed. I said it won’t affect him coming back she said no as the other horse in the new stable is moving home this weekend . All the time I still paid £65. It’s been a week since and Sunday I got a call from current YO to say that she wouldn’t be able to have Billy back date we agreed as the horse in his new stables owners haven’t finished building his stable at home. I was so angry and told her this was stupid I was paying for a stable that has someone else’s horse in. The other owner had a stable free but brought a new horse over the weekend. Posted it all over Facebook that she brought it on a whim. The schooling yard has said she absolutely can’t keep him in a stable and would have to stay out on his own at night in the field which he’s never done before. My yards saying first week of December for sure. What on earth do I do ! It’s so stressful I wonder if it’s time just to give them up . I am so stressed . I have been on other yards they are all the same don’t look after the horse which this yard does up until now . Is it just a mishap or should I give them up as my family says .

Thanks for posting it for me !
 

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You don't have to give up completely but it would be sensible to cut back to having just one horse you could give all your time and attention to .

This was my first thought too.

Also, the yard sounds very disorganised and this is adding to the stress. I think I'd be looking at alternative yards to be honest.
 

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I'm a bit confused but I think the OP says the person paid a holding fee for a stable which was not held and isn't available. If so, I'd want to see that holding fee refunded or reduced from future bills.

Surely the holding fee is to insure the YO against an empty box which isn't bringing in an income. In this example, it's being paid for twice and the holding fee hasn't kept the box available as it should have.

I'd be moving my horse from the schooling yard to a new yard and not back to the old one.
 

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In your friends shoes id be looking to down size. Sell the more difficult/time consuming one. perhaps put him/her on sales livery. Id then ask for my holding fee back, as the YO has royally taken the mick there.

Id also be looking for a new yard for the remaining one/two, on a competition/schooling livery just to keep the pressure off.
 

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I'm a bit confused but I think the OP says the person paid a holding fee for a stable which was not held and isn't available. If so, I'd want to see that holding fee refunded or reduced from future bills.

Surely the holding fee is to insure the YO against an empty box which isn't bringing in an income. In this example, it's being paid for twice and the holding fee hasn't kept the box available as it should have.

I'd be moving my horse from the schooling yard to a new yard and not back to the old one.

Yep that’s exactly what’s happening they are getting double the income for something that’s there problems not really my friends. It is a schooling/competition yard it’s one of the “best” around . Although I don’t think it’s good behaviour. I asked my friend what YO said re since there isn’t a stable free. They said there is a stable free so you still have to pay. My friend said the stable is on its own and is a pony stable . Up to 13’2 her boys 15’2 !
 

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I think some livery yards just make up the rules as they go along as I've had very similar experiences and the stress & upset is awful. Can't really help other than I hope one day you find a better yard - I can assure you that there are some good ones out there!

I know I have been in the same boat it causes so much stress. Sadly unless she wants to travel 35 minutes each way a day this is the best local to her
 

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Yep that’s exactly what’s happening they are getting double the income for something that’s there problems not really my friends. It is a schooling/competition yard it’s one of the “best” around . Although I don’t think it’s good behaviour. I asked my friend what YO said re since there isn’t a stable free. They said there is a stable free so you still have to pay. My friend said the stable is on its own and is a pony stable . Up to 13’2 her boys 15’2 !

That’s taking the mick. I’d demand the money back and move yards. I too would downsize to one.
 

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Could your friend put one out on full loan and get a sharer for the other for days she can’t make it? Maybe more stress to get sorted but if she could find good people it may help?

I really hope she demands a refund on the holding cost. that’s pretty shocking to charge for a stable that you can’t return to.
 

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Thanks guys will pass comments on . I think my friends reason for not selling. Is that the less complicated one is older and has a few medical issues. So she said it wouldn’t be fair to sell him on.

The other one Billy was breed by her grandfather he’s the last one out of his mare and was breed for my friend. So she has an attachment to him as she feels she would be letting her grandfather down. This has caused some heated conversation with the family. As one side including her grandmother would be heartbroken to see him go . The other side make comments like just get rid. She looked at putting him on loan but her grandmother was really upset and didn’t want him leaving the yard. I don’t think the yard he’s at would allow a loaner as they would lose so much money from not schooling him. Is she better moving and finding him a loaner .

Whilst he does need a lot of work 5days a week. He is very talented at jumping been out locally and jumped around 80cm/90cm clear rounds been XC at 70cm etc but hasn’t jumped since last winter due to yard not having a rider that jumps. Is well schooled and does hack. Can be a little sharp if not worked etc. He’s 8 but has only been to a dozen shows etc buts been out to areas\Xc to school a lot last year. Would it be easy to find a loaner if she won’t sell ?
 

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Whilst he does need a lot of work 5days a week. He is very talented at jumping been out locally and jumped around 80cm/90cm clear rounds been XC at 70cm etc but hasn’t jumped since last winter due to yard not having a rider that jumps. Is well schooled and does hack. Can be a little sharp if not worked etc. He’s 8 but has only been to a dozen shows etc buts been out to areas\Xc to school a lot last year. Would it be easy to find a loaner if she won’t sell ?

If he's a promising competition horse and is reasonably straightforward to do once in regular work, surely it shouldn't be too difficult to full loan him? While I understand that your friend doesn't want to upset her grandmother, it's her (not her grandmother) who actually has the day to day stress and work of keeping him going. Personally I think she needs to do what's right for her. She's obviously struggled on for a while and it's not working. Your friend's current yard sounds like a nightmare, I would move to somewhere that is more reasonable (and accepts loaners) then put lots of effort into finding him a suitable person who maybe can't afford a good quality horse of their own to compete. Or if you could find someone you trusted by word of mouth, maybe he could even move to the loaner's yard?
 

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If he's a promising competition horse and is reasonably straightforward to do once in regular work, surely it shouldn't be too difficult to full loan him? While I understand that your friend doesn't want to upset her grandmother, it's her (not her grandmother) who actually has the day to day stress and work of keeping him going. Personally I think she needs to do what's right for her. She's obviously struggled on for a while and it's not working. Your friend's current yard sounds like a nightmare, I would move to somewhere that is more reasonable (and accepts loaners) then put lots of effort into finding him a suitable person who maybe can't afford a good quality horse of their own to compete. Or if you could find someone you trusted by word of mouth, maybe he could even move to the loaner's yard?

Yes that’s what I thought may good riders can’t afford to buy a horse like him now . Yards around us don’t seem to be reasonable if they are people don’t move . But I will let her know she said she think she gonna have a look for a new yard now . Maybe find a part loaner or something
 

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I do wish people wouldn't hang on to things just because of a sentimental attachment. Yes grandad did breed this horse for her but I bet he wouldn't wish her to be so stressed now that she isn't really in a position to make full use of it any more. I do hope she can come up with a solution that takes the pressure off her and allows her to enjoy the remaining horse.
 

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I know I have been in the same boat it causes so much stress. Sadly unless she wants to travel 35 minutes each way a day this is the best local to her

I think that if she had a better yard where she could relax knowing her horses are well cared for, a slightly longer drive would be a benefit when compared to the stress of knowing she has to drive the shorter distance often.

When in a situation like this it can be really difficult to see all of the options and balance them out clearly. At least she's recognized that by asking for independent opinions.

And if that holding fee had worked she'd have her horse back in its stable with only enough notice to put the bed down and fill a haynet.
 

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Yard is taking mick knowing she is vulnerable and over a barrel!

has she considered other yards? I would also say what about a sharer rather than loan? so someone is paying her rather than she is paying for the schooling...
I have experienced this personally with yard and other liveries who find our you are disabled and take. Then use it against you to there own way. She gonna have another look I think.

I do wish people wouldn't hang on to things just because of a sentimental attachment. Yes grandad did breed this horse for her but I bet he wouldn't wish her to be so stressed now that she isn't really in a position to make full use of it any more. I do hope she can come up with a solution that takes the pressure off her and allows her to enjoy the remaining horse.

Some people are attached to there animals. He’s probably gonna be a good horse for her once her older pony retires. He’s also young so needs time to grow up . But I do see what your saying . I think she gonna look for another yard and find someone to loan or

I think that if she had a better yard where she could relax knowing her horses are well cared for, a slightly longer drive would be a benefit when compared to the stress of knowing she has to drive the shorter distance often.

When in a situation like this it can be really difficult to see all of the options and balance them out clearly. At least she's recognized that by asking for independent opinions.

And if that holding fee had worked she'd have her horse back in its stable with only enough notice to put the bed down and fill a haynet.

I will mention that to her about a longer drive maybe worth it. Me too ! That’s what I said stupid isn’t it !
 

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Has she got a contract with the yard,(or email trail) if so the YO has potentially breached it by not keeping an appropriate stable which was being paid for. I would be fuming, especially because I had already deferred returning the horse by 2 weeks, which was originally agreed...
 

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£65 to hold a stable? That in itself is a mockery. I fully agree with a holding fee but it shouldn’t be the normal livery price. I’d be having a chat with the YO about that part.

She has full livery this is about half af what she pay for full . They aren’t up for negotiation they said if she wants to come back she will have to pay it !
 
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