When should I give up on our spavins & PTS?

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Its very difficult for me to contemplate putting down a horse with bone spavin as my mare, who is Loss of use due to bone spavin, is in full work and loving life. I appreciate that she might be one of the lucky ones but I feel there must be more to be done with your boy whose behaviour obviously suggests he's in some sort of discomfort at the moment.

I didn't own her when she developed the spavin so I don't have all the details on that - but I do know she was not worked during the fusion process but turned away on a hilly field. Would this be an option? Alternatively, I've often read walking hacks (particularly roadwork) are best for encouraging fusion and horses with spavin will often be more uncomfortable on a surface so I would be wanting to avoid schooling unless the vet has said otherwise. Would it be feasible to give him some sort of painkillers if he must be worked?

He may be holding himself awkwardly due to the spavin so it may be worth getting the physio to have a look at him - or possiby getting a second opinion from another vet if you aren't entirely happy with yours, or even a full work up if you have good insurance as so many horses seem to be found lame on all four legs these days.

My mare was diagnosed aged seven and sound eighteen months later. Various people tried to bring her back into work afterwards but the time off had turned her into a hooligan, so I bought her and did it myself - she had just turned ten. Two and a half years later, she's sound and in full work. This morning, I took her down the beach for a gallop then took a short cut back home across the fields, jumping a couple of ditches as we went. Yesterday I schooled her, attempted some travers and the penny finally started to drop about what I wanted her to do so I was thrilled! Day before she did some lovely work on the lunge. We compete over the summer at RC level jumping and dressage, and moved to the yard we did because there are two gorgeous XC courses within hacking distance which we can't wait to try out next year! She's on Extraflex HA by Feedmark and no-one knows there's anything wrong with her until they see the Big letter L freezemarked on her side. The physio came recently and declared her to be in the shape of her life. I honestly think its too early to be making decisions for your boy - I know that not all spavin treatments are successful and I'm sorry for those who have negative stories to tell but for now at least, please try to stay positive and give him another chance - he sounds like a star and it would be such a shame to give up on him.
 
Bronson is only 14hh and 20 years old this year. He was diagnosed with bone spavin last March and was treated with exercise and bute. In December he jumped a lovely clear round at 85cms in an arena eventing competition and at the moment is as mad as a hatter.
 
From what im reading, i would say he has developed a behavoural problem...

As suggested bute him up strongly to see. What is he like in the field? Is he stiff and not going forward, or does he look ok.

In my opinion, physical reasons are used far too much for bad behaviour in many horses! He just sounds like he is 'riding you' and is taking control!
 
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In my opinion, physical reasons are used far too much for bad behaviour in many horses! He just sounds like he is 'riding you' and is taking control!

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Having had a horse that was only diagnosed on MRI (twice) I think this is a very strong statement. Some horses deal with pain better than others. One of mine amazed Sue Dyson at the AHT and she said he must have been in a lot of pain from his injury but still evented. - He was not lame on trot up early on in his injury and was jumping novice BE courses apparently happily. The other started rearing going backwards and kicking out - same injury different reaction. He was diagnosed prior to going lame as we realised he was trying to tell us something. I believe most horses want to please and a change in behavour is usually for a reason - we owe it to them to find out what it is. The OP states her horse is still not fully sound so how can this be dismissed as behavour?
 
First off (((hugs)))
Pidge had the cortisteroid jabs, couple of days box rest and then a month of walk, then a month of walk and trot only on a surface, and then introduced canter. He was on Bute for this period and had the all clear 4 months after his injections. I now do pretty much everything with him and in fact have registered BE for this year.
If I were you I'd approach the other vet for their opinion, but am a little surprised that current vet has said to work them hard. working properly will help him and yes as your Chiro said he will be sore whilst compensating for his spavins. It may also be worthwhile having him thermal imaged so you can see any sore hot spots which may help you?
I find keeping Pidge fit and not fat, working properly, and on Newmarket Joint Supplement has really worked wonders - touch wood.
Don't give up just yet, please?
 
Hello everyone,

Thanks for your continued replies. It's not so much that I WANT to give up...rather than I can't get any sense out of the vets re prognosis. It's hard to explain...if I ask a v straightforward question, I get a random answer which isn't what I asked...

The things I'd like to know are (e.g.) have sight of x-rays so I understand where the prob is, whether that's a good/bad place to have spavins, what 'shape' his recovery should take, i.e. sore for a few months, then gradually improve or whatever. Should I work him, rest him, how hard work, what type of work, rough prognosis... E.g. 10% / 20% / 90% of horses with that type of spavin do/don't recover & go onto light hack / jumping / normal...

I had my trainer out on Tues who said his hock action looks normal & that I should ride him in the style I did pre-spavin i.e. encourage him to carry himself & not lean, & I have to say, he went v well last night with a lot less angst.

Still waiting for o/h to ring the old vet (I'm a bit scared of him...) then I'm going to e-mail his chiro tonight & see if she thinks it would be worth seeing him. Also tempted by a bute trial...maybe alphabute as that's worked very well in the past.

The bossy vet who wanted me to move him to her trainer's yard said that it was my riding... Errrr, I've competed up to elem/1 m 15, so I think I can manage walk-trot work in the school...
 
I havent read all the replies, but I also have a 7 yr old with arthritis in the hock joint - but mine is in the upper hock which completely compromises the joint movement so he has been retired.

We had everything. He was hopping lame, he couldnt even be trotted up. He had tildren and 3 weeks box rest and no improvement. I then turned him out and he had 3 sessions with the chiro as his poll was so tense because he was so unlevel behind. He came sound on the leg so started hacking him out in walk for 20 mins and immediately lame again, but only about 2/10th lame. Had xrays and ultrasound - nothing. nerveblocked and showed that it was the hock joint so had MRI and Sue Dyson said it was very rare and most horses are pts within a year. There are no "success" stories, some horses continue to be hacked on a couple of bute a day but eventually they are pts within 12-18mths. I know Halfstep on here has similar with her boy but she was lucky enough to have the surgery and IRAP and her boy continued to be sound.

I think the important thing is to get a proper diagnosis of which bones in the hock are being affected. With mine, his bones are absolutely normal, there is no pocking or anything that shows on the xrays but MRI shows the degeneration of the cartilage.

If he isnt already on a good joint supplement, then start trying one to see what works. I have tried everything and the ones that work for mine are superflex (twice maintenance rate) and mobifor. I also have magnetic wraps on my boy 24/7 and these have made a real difference. He lives out except when the weather is bad then he comes in and has stable bandages on which help.

We had steroid injections which reduced the lameness to 1/10ths lames but wore off after 3 months and have just had a course of IRAP with no improvement so I am calling it a day. I have battled to get him field sound so he will remain retired until he is ready to go. He isnt on any painkillers at the moment, and I wont have him buted to go into the field. It would have been different if he was 27 but at 7 it is a long life in the field and he is used to be ridden everyday.

Oh, and he also became very nasty when being tacked up (normally a sweet pony). started with him running and hiding to the back of his stable to biting and kicking out. It was heartbreaking as I was being forced to ride him by the vets (he saw 5 vets in total, 1 thought there was nothing wrong with him except that he was stroppy, 1 said that it was a schooling issue and he was stroppy and the 3rd said it was a back problem and devised every conceivable test, exam and procedure under the sun). It was only the 4th vet and Sue Dyson who could actually see that he had a problem (I suspected bone spavin from day 1 but was told I was being ridiculous by first 3 vets).
 
Sorry to read you're having such a disheartening time
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May I just ask, as I'm in the same area as you, which vet practice and vet you are dealing with?

One around our way was useless when I wanted Be referring to Rossdales and I'm most glad I ignored their advice
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