Where are they now?

[shirleyno2]

So all this talk re futurities got me thinking. Below is the list of finalists from HOYS Young Horse Evaluations 2002, [the first step towards the Futuurities?]

Most Promising Dressage Horse
Agincourt
Caretino Glory
Catherston Dream Machine
Catherston Goldcrest
Dalcotes Holland and Holland
Donneromeo Altamar
Foxcourts True Justice
Gironde
Gold Digger
Grease Lightening
Kingswell Rise And Shine
No Illusion
Opposition Legacy
Opposition Heracles
Pilgrims Fantasy
Revanche B
Stonegrove Asprey
Unity

Most Promising Showjumper
Agincourt
Caretino Glory
Cor de Roy
Crystal Blue Z
Dalcotes Holland and Holland
Dashing Dalliance
Easy Tiger
Hamilton Tropics
Holly Hedge Judder Boy
Kilmefort James
Kingswell Dancing Spirit
Lady Aimee
Lady Hamilton
Mersley Mon Capatain
Millthyme California
No Illusion
Stanhopes One And Only
Treswigga
Two Star RG
Unity
Voltaire Surprise


Most Promising Event Horse
Agincourt
Caretino Glory
Devilishous
Heritage Oion
Kilmefort James
Kingswell Rise And Shine
Lady Aimee
No Illusion
Opposition Legacy
Ruben
Springfields Shadow Dancer
Stanhopes One And Only

 

[S_N]

AFAIK Dalcotes Holland and Holland had a successful showing career, though I have no idea where he is now.

Catherston Dream Machine I know has had one foal (Catherston What A Dream) and was I believe then sold by the stud.

There are others on here more qualified to answer for some of the others.....

 

[Bossanova]

Opposition Legacy is a good 2* horse but not much more than that.
Opposition Heracles is still a stallion and has got some decent advanced form

 

[ajf]

Carentio Glory is a stallion at Brendon stud. He did/does showjump (there is someone who will know alot more about him on here!)

Opposition Legacy is with Laura Collet, hes got to 2* as Boss said.

None of the others on the eventer list seem to have done anything notable.

 

[Foxfolly]

Opposition Heracles is eventing, has a lot of points but still not really proven at Advanced, although pretty successful at Intermediate and 2*

http://www.britisheventing.com/asp-net/Events/Results.aspx?HorseId=52656&section=000100010002

Opposition Legacy is eventing too, but seems to have stepped back down from I to ON this year

http://www.britisheventing.com/asp-net/Events/Results.aspx?HorseId=55663&section=000100010002

Thought I recognised some of the names!! Spot the person into eventing!!

Not so up on the other ones, but do recognise: Caretino Glory and Hamilton Tropics....

http://www.brendonpyecombe.co.uk/brendonstud/stallions.asp

 

[cruiseline]

As taken from BD site today

Agincourt 215pts Medium
Caretino Glory 16pts Novice
Catherston Dream Machine 34pts Medium last competed 2004
Catherston Goldcrest 305pts Medium
Dalcotes Holland and Holland Not Found
Donneromeo Altamar Not Found
Foxcourts True Justice No results, but registered
Gironde 240 Prix St. Georges
Gold Digger 6pts Novice last competed 2003
Grease Lightening 49pts Medium last competed 2007
Kingswell Rise And Shine Not Found
No Illusion Not Found
Opposition Legacy 28pts Novice last competed 2002
Opposition Heracles 32pts Novice last competed 2002
Pilgrims Fantasy Not Found
Revanche B 14pts Novice
Stonegrove Asprey 54pts Elementary last competed 2005
Unity 2pts Novice last competed 2008

 

[TangoCurly]

hmm, that is interesting. fi you look through what CL has posted, only 2 of the dressage horses on the list are 'unaccounted' for as the other 3 with no BD scores or registrastion were also presented as SJ or eventers. The horses who were listed as being dressage and another discipline are Dalcotes Holland and Holland, Kingsweel Rise and Shine and No illusion. Those with no other listing above were Donneromeo Altamar and Pilgrims Fantasy.

In the name of statistics, can someone look up the eventers and SJers so we can see if the dual listed horses had or have a competitive career? Ooh, i do like sieving through data!

bye!

 

[eventrider23]

Is interesting to see that Opposition Heracles was done as a dressage horses and not an eventer....

Is he still at stud by the way as he is no longer on the Fleetwater website....

Treswigga definitely has not proven herself out eventing....gaining only 2 points in 3 seasons....even though competed by an excellent rider in Sarah Cohen - she seems to have a LOT of SJ's down.

 

[Ciss]

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Carentio Glory is a stallion at Brendon stud. He did/does showjump (there is someone who will know alot more about him on here!)

Opposition Legacy is with Laura Collet, hes got to 2* as Boss said.

None of the others on the eventer list seem to have done anything notable.

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The problem with the very first year was that horses with a decent sj score and a decent paces score found it very easy to qualify for the eventing section even though they were not truly eventer type. This skewed the final top list away from true eventing type and is one of the reasons why we added a gallop score to eventing and limited qualification to only two disciplines in later years.

Donneromeo Altamar was exported to The Netherlands but I am not sure what happened to him after that.

The Eventing section got better as a predictor later on in its 4 year old format and is the way Land Vision came up along with several bred by Vin Jones plus of course Cool Mountain, Born Free and Up With The Lark to name only a few. Treswigga retired to be a broodmare fairly early as far as I know.

 

[Kenniford]

Foxcourts True Justice i believe has now been cut and i think last time i heard he was up for sale.

 

[eventrider23]

Oh yes - you are right Ciss about Treswigga...I was wracking my brains for her name as I was sure I have heard of her recently but when I looked up her eventing records they were not exactly fabulous.

I do know though that as an event sire, whilst he has not been marketed to this market at all, Caretino Glory does have a few coming through the ranks and I have it on good authority that a 4 star rider has an Advanced mare coming to him this season after not finding any strictly event sires that she liked.

 

[shirleyno2]

Caretino Glory, International Grade A with winnings in excess of £8000. 16 BD points from VERY few outings ! Sire of PAVO young event horse yearling winner 2008, Sire of Addington Young Horse Winner. Also sire of Electra, 6 yr old s/j winner abroad 2009.

Hamilton Tropics, International Grade A with winnings in excess of £14,100

Lady Aimee, retired early from BSJA showjumping due to Injury, now breeding superb foals.

Lady Hamilton, competed BSJA before becoming a broodmare, she is the dam to Nederland Lady [winnings in excess of £1600]

Voltaire Surprise, sold and castrated to an Amateur jumping lady.

These were the horses I qualified!

 

[eventrider23]

Excellent list there SSJEZ!!!! Is Aimee the dam of Alli - the superb Warrior baby you have???

 

[shirleyno2]

You got it!! And Lady Hamilton is Maisie, half sister to Morph, dam of Mouse.

 

[eventrider23]

Oooh very nice!!! I sooo want little Alli!

 

[ajf]

ssjez your list is rather lovely!

So eventer feedback:
Agincourt - registered. Competed in a PN (E) and intro (DC) in 2006
Caretino Glory - not reg
Devilishous - not reg
Heritage Oion - reg. No points. never completed above PN.
Kilmefort James - reg. No points. Has completed novice (not well)
Kingswell Rise And Shine - reg. 28 points. Has compeleted Int (never clear)
Lady Aimee - not reg
No Illusion - reg. 8 points. 2003 only year evented (when 5).
Opposition Legacy - reg. 90 points. Has won at 2*. Seems very good dressage, but lacks consistent xc.
Ruben - not reg
Springfields Shadow Dancer - reg. no points. never gone above PN.
Stanhopes One And Only - reg. no points. never gone above PN (not good xc record, many E)

Opposition Heracles (on dressage list) is most succesful eventer. Has 179 points. Completed Le Lion as a 7yo (world bredding champs for eventers) and has completed a 3* clear xc. Is currently on his 5th pro rider.

Treswigga (sj section) - BE reg. 2 points. Hasn't completed since 2005, has gone clear xc Int (though 2 points with pro and completed Int is pretty poor eventing wise)

There that got me out of revision for a while

 

[shirleyno2]

f_h, well done to your list too! It seems that several horses have changed discipline??

 

[Ciss]

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f_h, well done to your list too! It seems that several horses have changed discipline??

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Well, as I mentioned in an earlier post, at that time the qualification system was not really sensitive enough to the specfic needs of the Eventing discipline but has been honed considerably since, so such transfers are far less likely now.

At that point the system was very closely based upon the Swedish Young Horse Evaluations -- which of course have a heavy bias towards showjumping and dressage -- but I do think that the criteria we have now developed for the evaluation of foals for their potential for eventing is probably unique in the world in the thoroughness and relevance of the aspects involved. Of course, the dressage and showjumping ones are also pretty good (as hopefully will be the Edurance one when that gets going) but other countries have specialist dressage and showjumping assessments already and it is only the UK (as befits our main competitive interest) that has a proven and successful one in eventing.

 

[stolensilver]

What an interesting thread. Has anyone got access to the BSJA site to look up the showjumpers? Please?

 

[shirleyno2]

Stolen silver, on the BSJA site you can only access your own horses, unless you pay!!

Mersley Mon Capitan jumped BSJA with a fair record, he also had a couple in young horse classes last year but don't know if he is still around?

 

[S_N]

What an absolutely fascinating thread!