where do you stand if you buy a rearer,are you entitled to ur cash bk

Very difficult to know over the internet how experienced people are and how they define rearing.

One persons full on rearing may be bolt upright with no warning, whereas another persons full on rearing maybe half height naps than on the whole are easily sorted by the right rider.

The former would have me taking legal action over the dealer and I would be wanting a full refund. The latter would be more of a grey area for me, personally I would probably try and work with the horse but could understand someone wanting an exchange or the dealer taking back to sell on.
 
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sorry when did i say i know the dealer very well?? i think that this should be dealt with between lou and the other person - they said they would take it back and sell it which i think is fine !

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Why is that fine? She asked if the horse reared, was told no, and it is a serious rearer therefore not fit for purpose. Why should she have to wait what could be weeks or even months before getting the money, and what if the dealer sells for less? What if the horse goes lame? She could end up with nothing, which is exactly what people want to avoid when buying from a dealer, the whole point is that you do have come back if the horse isn't right for some reason.

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to be honest im not going to answer this or get involved but im sure this will be sorted out !! its very hard when people dont know the full story
 
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sorry when did i say i know the dealer very well?? i think that this should be dealt with between lou and the other person - they said they would take it back and sell it which i think is fine !

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You p.m'ed me S.T and said you have known him for 10 yrs!! and no him very well. just thought you may give L some advice!! but i agree this is between her and him, but L came on here asking for advise
 
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Very difficult to know over the internet how experienced people are and how they define rearing.

One persons full on rearing may be bolt upright with no warning, whereas another persons full on rearing maybe half height naps than on the whole are easily sorted by the right rider.

The former would have me taking legal action over the dealer and I would be wanting a full refund. The latter would be more of a grey area for me, personally I would probably try and work with the horse but could understand someone wanting an exchange or the dealer taking back to sell on.

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I agree with this. Also there's a big difference between a horse being a bit nappy when it lacks confidence in a new place with a new rider and a horse who spends more time on its back legs than it spends on the floor. Is the horse really a problem habitual rearer or does it mostly do the job it was bought for but is has a rear in it?

Incidentally, the dealer agreeing to sell the horse is neither one thing or another. A good dealer will exchange the horse if a customer deems a horse unsuitable within a week. If there isn't a suitable exchange horse they should either agree to find one or give a refund.
 
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I was under the impression, as thistle stated, that rearing was a behaviour rather than a vice.

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correct...rearing isn't a vice..it's behaviour.
 
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sorry when did i say i know the dealer very well?? i think that this should be dealt with between lou and the other person - they said they would take it back and sell it which i think is fine !

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You p.m'ed me S.T and said you have known him for 10 yrs!! and no him very well. just thought you may give L some advice!! but i agree this is between her and him, but L came on here asking for advise

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yes which i had but that was between me and you not on the forum ??

It seems that advice has turned into a bitc*ing session and seeing as people dont know both sides of the story then they cant really comment and this should be sorted out between the 2 individuals
 
QR...Even the the OP did ask if it reared, the most probable answer would be, and i know most Dealers would word it as such, "it hasn't reared since it's been here"...Covered then..

i know, morally that isnt right, but it happens!!
 
HOLD ON!! i am NOT mentioning any names or where this horse came from,all i wanted is advice,not get into a slanging match with people who do know me on here(and i know who u r).
Ive had advice and spoken to person in question and will sort it out.
Can you NOT put my name on here as it can cause more probs. I DONT want dealers name put on here pls or mine!
Ive had good advice(thanks all)lets leave it at that.thankyou!
JESUS,all i wanted was a good horse hehehehe
 
Rearing is a vice - in any text book I've ever looked at anyway. Could somebody tell me the difference between 'behavioural' and vice? So far as I can see crib-biting or box-walking are behavioural too! - AFAIK a "vice" is an unwanted behaviour that reduces the value of the horse.

The reason your dealer wants to sell the horse and then give you your money back is so that they can sell him to the next unsuspecting punter 'on your behalf'. If they are doing that and don't own the horse themselves (YOU do), the next buyer has no come-back on them, only on you. Don't let it happen!
 
I don't know how it used to be defined but it's pretty much scientifically proven now that there is a difference between "stereotypies" like weaving, cribbing and box walking and riding or handling issues like kicking, rearing, or pulling. Horse that do the former are essentially "addicts" and there are specific chemical/physiological effects that go with those behaviours - they are not conscious. The latter are conscious actions or reactions which begin, at least, to gain a specific goal. Theoretically they are fixable, although if you can't remove the stimulus that's causing them it may not realistically be possible.

How they're defined under the law, I couldn't tell you but they are certainly not the same thing. (Nor should they be though of or treated the same way in training and management.)

Not arguing anything about getting money back or what's guaranteed or not - completely immaterial. Just stating the case.
 
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