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severnmiles

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If your dog is loose early morning and attacks a badger? I have my reasons for such a bizarre question.
 

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Welll your dog was lucky it wasnt killed itself - badgers are HARD!!!

I wouldnt worry about it - if it wasnt intentional and it came out of the blue - I doubt you would get prosecuted - people who have dogs that attack other people rarely get owt dont to them so a badger shouldnt be much different - (even tho there protected!)

Has someone complained? Thats sad if they have !!

Hope all parties are ok
 

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I'd be really upset actually. I would be very relieved if the dog was ok, but generally upset that it had happened though.

But I'm not happy if they go after bunnies.........

I've become a tree hugger :crazy:
 

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You give your dog extra tea! :grin: :shocked:

If someone's complained slightly different I suppose, but otherwise are you really going to take badger to the vets (I don't envy you, vile creatures!) and pay for the treatment, though it would probably die of shock anyway in which case I'd be getting someone to shoot it now without informing anyone. (I'll be waiting for the kick back on this - or a visit from the bobbies!LOL!)

Around here, they're going down like flies, every lane is littered with them, stupid creatures, they have absolutely zilch eyesight and not good hearing too so come out of nowhere; dread to think how many cars have been damaged by them.

Before anyone grumbles, no, I don't like badgers, they are a pain in the butts but I dislike them more for eating hedgehogs, we haven't seen one of those lovely harmless animals for nearly 20 years around here, so I do have my reasons!
 

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Welll your dog was lucky it wasnt killed itself - badgers are HARD!!!

I know...but so are some dogs :crazy:

No nobody has complained. Wasn't my dog. My friend walkes her 2 dog at 5am every morning, dog is fine.

Just wondered, being protected is the intent loophole there?
 

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I'd be really upset actually. I would be very relieved if the dog was ok, but generally upset that it had happened though.

But I'm not happy if they go after bunnies.........

I've become a tree hugger :crazy:

LOL...get back to your herbal tea and meditating (Joke!!!) :)

I did mean legally though.
 

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God knows then.

The law on this in a ass - presumably you weren't standing there flushing it out with several other dogs? But if you were and had a gun you'll be ok!
 

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God knows then.

The law on this in a ass - presumably you weren't standing there flushing it out with several other dogs? But if you were and had a gun you'll be ok!

Still wouldn't be ok, foxes aren't protected, badgers are.
 

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I don't know as the law regarding badgers hasn't changed has it? They are as protected as ever. You should ring up all your friends, place bets and have another go tomorrow.
(JOKE).
When my lurcher had a badger, years ago, Badgerwatch came and took it away, the dog hadn't hurt it but it was wandering around in the day as it was ill. They didn't prosecute me, and if anyone would have done it would have been them. :crazy:
I don't like badgers either, we too are a hedgehog free zone.

Edited to add, wait for Endy to come on and say badgers don't eat hedgehogs, they only eat grass. :p
 

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Edited to add, wait for Endy to come on and say badgers don't eat hedgehogs, they only eat grass. :p

Where we used to be we had quite a few hedgehogs, dogs used to find them in a ball (and catch fleas..thank god for spot on!) we were in an area that were culling badgers (Defra) but down here I haven't seen one Mrs Tiggy Winkle :(
 

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If it was genuinely unintentional theres no problem, 2 weeks ago a terrier was left trapped below ground with no food or water for 4 days and nights because it had entered a badger sette because the powers that be would not allow it to be rescued, and they call us cruel..............Carreg
 

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No you should be fine. No requirement to report it either.
As your friend was just walking as per normal & hadn't gone out with the intent to hunt it not that it would matter in regards to the hunting ban as it was a badger & not a fox or hare.
Should it happen again & Billy does get injured tell your friend not to go near it as it will atack no matter how injured & they are very vicous.

We have loads of Billys round here. In the last week have seen 2 dead on the road. We still have loads of Hedgehogs the most I have seen for a while!?? Maybe our Billies up here dont eat hedgehogs. Do go for dead & sick lambs though!
 

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Countryside Humor from the Alliance website;

Q. What do you need to take with you whilst walking your dog in the countryside?

A. Your Lawyers phone number!
 

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No they do eat hedgehogs and sometimes other small mammals too when earthworms are low (i.e in summer).

But so what? You can't persecute an animal for acting according to it's nature. You might not have Hhogs but you should think yourself lucky to have such wonderful creatures as badgers on your land, esp in Essex where it's not really the best habitat for them with all the clay soils.
 

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I know that the antis find it hard to believe, but not all terriermen badger bait. The badgers on our land are thoroughly unpersecuted. I do like to see them, but wish they left some hhogs about - hogs are cuter than badgers!
I don't think I'd feel this positive if I was a dairy farmer, though.
I think their numbers should be controlled humanely by digging out and shooting - there are far too many of them now.
 

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Well, there's not a TB problem in the SE so they're not a problem to farmers in your area.

Latest figs suggest a population rise nationally but only a small rise in Essex. The decline in persecution should of led to an increase but road development has offset any benefits to badgers from the Protection Act. Not too sure about the SW but in Essex road development looks like it will solve any future population problem you may have without any human intervention.

As for digging and shooting, they think it helps to spread TB. Badgers have only limited dispersal abilties and a high fidelity to their home range so any disease tends to stay within family groups. Culling breaks up family groups and surviving animals are inclined to leave the area, thus spreading the disease between other badger social groups and confounding the problem. Thats what they say anyway.

But then I REALLY cant be bothered with a debate on bovine TB.. :)
 

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T.B isnt the only problem we have with badgers firm I work for spends 100s of 1000s of pounds a year relocating them to different areas, I just last week did a study of an area where the numbers will soon become a problem, Ive also done some work checking on the relocated ones, its takes a lot of earth worms to feed a badger sadly in some cases theres not enough to go around, is starvation really better than shooting...........Carreg
 

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I do like to see them

Really? I hate the bloomin things, if they're not 5hitting in the hay when its cut my dogs are rolling in their 5hit (and stink to high heaven!). I think I dislike them slightly more than Charlie.
 

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What is wonderful about them?

Bugger all!

In the numbers they have no managed to reach.Starvation, disease, infection and the good old motor car are now their only controlling factors.

I for one wont shed a tear when the control measures start.

You only have to look at the countries that are still controlling their badger populations to see the impact they have upon the BD of the countryside.
 

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Ireland still control them don't they...a vet told me TB levels are low in the areas they wiped them out, apparently three tests, left them alone in one area, controlled them in another and slaughtered them in the third area. A few years ago now.
 

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I would say someone would need to prove your dog attacked first not retailated.
I would also say lookout because they are a match for most single dogs.
We loathe the things, although I wouldn't run one over and have spent long minutes creeping behind them on the narrow lanes until they spy a gateway.
One attacked a mare lying down who was blind on that side, her injuries were so severe to her vulval area she had to be destroyed.
Many appear round here overnight on the roads, but I reckon few are hit and run, more shot and dumped...
 

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We have a stack of badgers here, have had a lot of dead ones lately.
I hate them, least not for the mess my dogs come home in.
Their sets are slowly taking over our land, we have even had to relocate a gallop due to the ground becoming unsafe.
We are in an area where they are feeding them something to track them. I dont know the ins and outs of it but apparently they have found they are travelling further than anyone thought.
 

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One of the gamekeepers where I used to live hated them - he said it was a curse they were born with that white stripe: if they didn't have it they'd be nothing more than large rats and no-one would have a problem with them being culled.
 

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I have not long subscribed to H & H and I have to say I am quite horrified at the venom with which some subscribers spit their dislike of some life.

Apparently it is o.k. to chase and tear a fox limb from limb because that is "nature?" but for a badger to go about it's own business and eat the odd hedgehog that is not?

I am sorry but this defies logic - never mind the wickedness in harming a life - I will never understand some people!
 

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Don't like it, don't read it or just lump it...

If you knew ANYTHING at all about foxhunting you wouldn't have posted such a laughable comment as "it is o.k. to chase and tear a fox limb from limb".

"but for a badger to go about it's own business and eat the odd hedgehog"

Yep, just as I go about my own business culling pesky pests...ahhh the wonders of a free country :smirk:
 

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"If you knew ANYTHING at all about foxhunting"
So there is more to foxhunting than killing the fox?
I think janw has a good point, it seems that some people use 1 excuse for 1 thing but won't use it for others.

Just because some class some animals as vermin/pests/etc they think it is ok to kill them and use words like "natural" to justify it.

The Killing of animals by some sections of society is down to 2 things, greed because they won't pay for better defences against wild animals and the pure lust for killing something.
 
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