where does buckskin colour come from?

well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i have been looking at the very bottom line of his pedigree - the highland x angloarab... and when you dig right back to the start of the century there are some 'interesting' parents of Highlands!!

*ahem*

Fell

Exmoor x Dales

Clyedsale (!)

Icelandic (!!!!)
 
NeverSayNever said:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/glen+dualt icelandics carry cream, right?
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I believe Icelandics do have cream, but, I thought cream didn't hide? So if that icelandic mare had cream and passed it on, (right down to your horse) all the highlands after her, in that line, would have to have been a dilute colour too? I know a lot of Highlands are grey but I find it hard to understand how 'buckskin and palomino' are never seen, even in foals (i.e. before the greying starts)?

This is so interesting!
 
appylass said:
I believe Icelandics do have cream, but, I thought cream didn't hide? So if that icelandic mare had cream and passed it on, (right down to your horse) all the highlands after her, in that line, would have to have been a dilute colour too? I know a lot of Highlands are grey but I find it hard to understand how 'buckskin and palomino' are never seen, even in foals (i.e. before the greying starts)?

This is so interesting!
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couldnt the highland's have been being registered as Dun - right down to my lad? (as his breeder seemed to think he was, but minus any dorsal stripe;))
 
NeverSayNever said:
couldnt the highland's have been being registered as Dun - right down to my lad? (as his breeder seemed to think he was, but minus any dorsal stripe;))
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I'm no expert but I am sure in my own mind that I have never seen a buckskin or palomino Highland pony. I did a lot of research before I bought mine and was led to believe they do not carry cream.To me buckskin and Dun are completely different, and most dun highlands have very strong dun characteristics. I asked a friend of mine about this too, she is a very respected highland judge and breeder of forty years standing and she said there is not cream in the breed.

The description Cream Dun is really misleading though and I can understand your thinking! I hope you can get some answers!
 
As a side note on this topic if your horse is a dun does it have the dorsal stripe all year round? My chestnut mare gets a dorsal stripe with her winter coat.
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Looking at his breeding, I don't see the mystery here.

His maternal grandsire (Gainsborough Comet) though his colour is not listed was a dilute horse, who bred dilute progeny. He was registered as an anglo arabian TB, and though neither TB or arab's carry cream, you only have to have 12.5% arab breeding to be registered as an Anglo, and in the 1960's I doubt they were much bothered about stray dilute genes in partbreds, especially second generation partbreds, but in any case they accept all solid colours (AFAIK, this may be different in the UK?) He also had bay, he may have been a sooty buckskin.

Even without that, his dam was neither straight highland, or straight arab, or a straightcross and I'd well believe she was buckskin and possibly the exact same colour.

Infact if you do up the colour calculator just for what is listed for his parents (and theres alot not listed!)
He could potentially have come out any colour! And dun hasn't even been factored in here (if his dam had dun at all)


16.41% - Gray (Buckskin)
16.41% - Gray (Bay)
16.41% - Buckskin
16.41% - Bay
6.25% - Palomino
6.25% - Gray (Palomino)
6.25% - Gray (Chestnut)
6.25% - Chestnut
2.34% - Smoky Black
2.34% - Gray (Smoky Black)
2.34% - Gray (Black)
2.34% - Black

Thats if whats been put on all breed pedigree is correct, and it isn't always! Not when you have such a mix.
 
Mocha said:
Looking at his breeding, I don't see the mystery here.

His maternal grandsire (Gainsborough Comet) though his colour is not listed was a dilute horse, who bred dilute progeny. He was registered as an anglo arabian TB, and though neither TB or arab's carry cream, you only have to have 12.5% arab breeding to be registered as an Anglo, and in the 1960's I doubt they were much bothered about stray dilute genes in partbreds, especially second generation partbreds, but in any case they accept all solid colours (AFAIK, this may be different in the UK?) He also had bay, he may have been a sooty buckskin.

Even without that, his dam was neither straight highland, or straight arab, or a straightcross and I'd well believe she was buckskin and possibly the exact same colour.

Infact if you do up the colour calculator just for what is listed for his parents (and theres alot not listed!)
He could potentially have come out any colour! And dun hasn't even been factored in here (if his dam had dun at all)


16.41% - Gray (Buckskin)
16.41% - Gray (Bay)
16.41% - Buckskin
16.41% - Bay
6.25% - Palomino
6.25% - Gray (Palomino)
6.25% - Gray (Chestnut)
6.25% - Chestnut
2.34% - Smoky Black
2.34% - Gray (Smoky Black)
2.34% - Gray (Black)
2.34% - Black

Thats if whats been put on all breed pedigree is correct, and it isn't always! Not when you have such a mix.
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ahhhh thanks! can i ask, how do you know that Gainsborough Comet was a dilute? (or am i being thick and it says somewhere that ive not seen?). His Mum definately was buckskin.... she is also Wetherby registered TNR.
 
His progeny, cream can't hide, so if the progeny was cream, the parent was cream.

He bred a palomino Benjamin Golden Firestar, listed in his progeny.
He also bred a horse called Golden Promise, whose colour was not listed... but I bet it was er... 'golden' ;)
 
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