Where is all the overo?

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Looking at american sites and watching american animal rescue programs made me wonder why there are so many overo marked horses over there but i've seen hardly any over here.

Any ideas?
 
i have never heard of it being called anything else - or even seen any horses that would classify

(i dont mean the minimally expressed overo such as that on clysdales and shire etc but the full out expression such as 'Hidalgo')

Seems strange that the colour hasnt really come over, you would think it would have by now
 
I have a frame overo mare. The frame gene is also known as lethal white overo and only the heterozygous horses have the pattern. Ones that are homozygous for the trait are born white and die soon after birth.
This gene is not found in European breeds (apart from a few TBs but those hail from USA lines) which is why is is less common than sabino, splash or tobiano here.

It is common in American paints, some quarter horses and in miniatures.
 
Paint Me Proud said:
Looking at american sites and watching american animal rescue programs made me wonder why there are so many overo marked horses over there but i've seen hardly any over here.

Any ideas?
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I would say simple statistics.

There are less Paint (as in APHA) horses in Britain, also, many people, whilst they like the classic tobianos (dark faces with standard white markings) seem to actively dislike white faces and blue eyes which generally go hand in hand with the overo patterning. Personal choice.

In North America, Paints are as common as flies on a muck heap, where I live every second horse is a Paint, which is why overos are commonly seen, sheer numbers that's all.

When Overo, as a pattern, becomes as trendy as tobianos in the UK, then more will be specifically bred/imported, the pattern will be just as commonplace as tobianos then:(
 
Paint Me Proud said:
i think the colouration is stunning and it is such a shame it isnt more common over here.

Maybe one day...but then they'd be as ordinary/everyday as tobianos;)
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:D I really am not a fan of tobiano patterns, although I will buy a tobiano if it is pretty enough. I love overos and actively look for them when I am buying. Mind, a good horse is a good horse no matter the colour eh?

What do I have in my paddocks as my own riding horses? BAYS!:eek: and I never even READ adverts for bays when buying for stud or flipping :confused: ... talk about double standards:o
 
A few years ago someone I know of bred her frame overo mare to a frame overo stallion- got a lethal white foal- silly, cruel b****! Seeing as overo to overo I believe is 50% chance of overo offspring, 25% chance of solid offspring and 25% chance of lethal white. If a frame overo is bred to a solid then its STILL 50% chance of a frame overo but 50% chance of a solid and 0% chance of a lethal white so its completely unjustified! I think there is still alot of indescriminate breeding over here and dont think people would do their research so we would have plenty of people making this same, cruel, sick mistake.

Similar to the merle to merle breeding in dogs- no justification whatsoever.
 
amandap said:
To save me googling what does overo mean exactly please? :D
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http://www.apha.com/breed/overo.html

This is a pretty conservatively marked sabino frame overo:
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and another overo
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Paint Me Proud said:
found one!
http://www.horsemart.co.uk/coloured_horse_7_yrs_15_0_hh_coloured_west_yorkshire/advert/138716
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That is sabino and/or splash.

This is the first frame foal I bred, one of the first American paints born in the UK;-
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This is my current frame mare with her son who is also a heterozygous frame even though it isn't obviously expressed.
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As there is a quick & easy (& cheap) DNA test for OLWS there is no excuse for producing lethal whites but often people don't test and then get surprised when a solid produces a non viable foal.
 
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