Which breed, height for a mum and son share?

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If its consolation my friends grand daughter had a 14.1 when she was 8 he was a New Forest type her feet were barely to the bottom of the saddle flap, he was such a good pony and she had been scared witless previously on smaller sharp ponies, when she went to try him she immediately felt safe and was never nervous on him, I rode him quite a bit and I was about 9.5 to 10 stone then and he was fine he did have an adult sharer ride him a few times a week, so it can work you just have to find the right pony
 
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A Morgan, although up to about 12 stone I think if it is around 15 hh. Although of course they were used as the USA cavalry horses, I think modern breeding has made them rather less sturdy.

Someone I know turned up to Pony Club with her small daughters riding her Morgan mare and the PC had a fit. Mother said they were probably safer on her well schooled, quiet and trustworthy mare rather than a 12.2, the only thing was that it was a bit of a way to fall if they did come off.

A cob - well the vanner types seen being used as riding animals - aren't that great for jumping and galloping, if your son is keen on that, as they can't really gallop and wouldn't have much scope. And I had a great Irish bred cobby pony that was a fantastic hunting and gymkhana pony, but I don't see many like that now, possibly the Welsh Cob might be similar. Although many Welsh cobs can need quite a lot of riding skill.
 
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A Morgan, although up to about 12 stone I think if it is around 15 hh. Although of course they were used as the USA cavalry horses, I think modern breeding has made them rather less sturdy.

Someone I know turned up to Pony Club with her small daughters riding her Morgan mare and the PC had a fit. Mother said they were probably safer on her well schooled, quiet and trustworthy mare rather than a 12.2, the only thing was that it was a bit of a way to fall if they did come off.

A cob - well the vanner types seen being used as riding animals - aren't that great for jumping and galloping, if your son is keen on that, as they can't really gallop and wouldn't have much scope. And I had a great Irish bred cobby pony that was a fantastic hunting and gymkhana pony, but I don't see many like that now, possibly the Welsh Cob might be similar. Although many Welsh cobs can need quite a lot of riding skill.
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I haven’t come across a morgan. I will have to have a look into the breed.
Yes my son is a speed demon ( or was until his confidence was knocked.. getting back there though!) so I’ve been trying to factor that in.
Ive also realised having a larger horse opposed to a large pony will affect the height he has to jump at shows too and as he is just starting out it’s important.
so I’m still in a muddle.
Pretty much given up on the share idea at this point. More of something he can grow into later has become the idea with a loan pony for now but then dad is arguing what height the horse would need to be for him at that stage. Truth is .. no way to know! I think dad wants something big for himself lol
The Welsh D keeps coming around but the attitude, quirky typical Welsh keeps putting me off. Probably because I’m not sure what that is. He’s riding a Welsh d x tb at the moment with no problems so not sure what I’m nervous about.
 
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I haven’t come across a morgan. I will have to have a look into the breed.
Yes my son is a speed demon ( or was until his confidence was knocked.. getting back there though!) so I’ve been trying to factor that in.
Ive also realised having a larger horse opposed to a large pony will affect the height he has to jump at shows too and as he is just starting out it’s important.
so I’m still in a muddle.
Pretty much given up on the share idea at this point. More of something he can grow into later has become the idea with a loan pony for now but then dad is arguing what height the horse would need to be for him at that stage. Truth is .. no way to know! I think dad wants something big for himself lol
The Welsh D keeps coming around but the attitude, quirky typical Welsh keeps putting me off. Probably because I’m not sure what that is. He’s riding a Welsh d x tb at the moment with no problems so not sure what I’m nervous about.
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Welsh D definitely have a reputation for being more quirky than most native breeds- they can be spooky/excitable and can have quite dramatic responses if they are upset by something. But there are literally thousands of Welsh Ds and crosses in the UK, and they are not all the same! Some are deliberately bred to be sportier, some are bread as family horses/ponies and some are bred for showing, which can be the "hotter" ones.

There are calm, chill Welsh Ds, there are sharp, spooky connies and new forrests. There are TBs and arabs out there that you could put a novice on no trouble, and cobs that would have them on the floor.

I would honestly stop trying to decide on a breed and start looking at individual animals that might be suitable.

If you want a horse that you can ride, and your son can sit on and do things with, then I'd just look at everything in your local area that sounds/looks suitable from the advert, and start from there. When you're buying an established riding horse, it's much more important to buy a horse that's doing the job you want or similar, than buy a breed based on stereotypes!
 
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Morgan horses can be sharp I knew 2 and were not suitable for novice riders and definitely wouldn't have put a child on them.

My friends daughter rode my Arab's when she was 13 but she was a very good rider, has competed at Hoys and used to sharp show ponies.
 
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Welsh D definitely have a reputation for being more quirky than most native breeds- they can be spooky/excitable and can have quite dramatic responses if they are upset by something. But there are literally thousands of Welsh Ds and crosses in the UK, and they are not all the same! Some are deliberately bred to be sportier, some are bread as family horses/ponies and some are bred for showing, which can be the "hotter" ones.

There are calm, chill Welsh Ds, there are sharp, spooky connies and new forrests. There are TBs and arabs out there that you could put a novice on no trouble, and cobs that would have them on the floor.

I would honestly stop trying to decide on a breed and start looking at individual animals that might be suitable.

If you want a horse that you can ride, and your son can sit on and do things with, then I'd just look at everything in your local area that sounds/looks suitable from the advert, and start from there. When you're buying an established riding horse, it's much more important to buy a horse that's doing the job you want or similar, than buy a breed based on stereotypes!
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True. I have Labrador .. you know those obedient, calm and loyal breeds?
I swear it’s a myth! My dog’s crazy and so many on my lab site have all the same issues. So yes I agree.
It’s more of the weight carrying/ size aspect. I would never just select a breed and say that must be right. It’s like when I said my sons currently riding a Welsh d x Arab and they are fine but I’m nervous of Welsh D lol She’s also very sharp but they have a good relationship so yea shouldn’t stereotype. And also.. we like a bit of character.
it’s just a basis to go off.
the Welsh d thing is -so many ads say “typical Welsh so not a novice ride” and it puts me off. Maybe I should go and try ,to see for ourselves rather than go on that.
sorry for bad spelling, grammar. My predictive text is driving me mad on here.
 
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True. I have Labrador .. you know those obedient, calm and loyal breeds?
I swear it’s a myth! My dog’s crazy and so many on my lab site have all the same issues. So yes I agree.
It’s more of the weight carrying/ size aspect. I would never just select a breed and say that must be right. It’s like when I said my sons currently riding a Welsh d x Arab and they are fine but I’m nervous of Welsh D lol She’s also very sharp but they have a good relationship so yea shouldn’t stereotype. And also.. we like a bit of character.
it’s just a basis to go off.
the Welsh d thing is -so many ads say “typical Welsh so not a novice ride” and it puts me off. Maybe I should go and try ,to see for ourselves rather than go on that.
sorry for bad spelling, grammar. My predictive text is driving me mad on here.
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I think the problem with Welsh D (and I have known a couplr that would acted so insanely to put themselves and rider in danger) is actually that they are working animals and often don't get sufficient work to keep them sane. They are bred to do a lot of work - all those welsh mountains - on very little feed and where that spirit and work ethic was needed.

Bring them to England, feed them well, ride them occasionally and it isn't enough.

Of course, with every breed there are going to be exceptions to all rules.

I think the advice to just keep looking locally for something that is currently doing the job you want would always be the best thing.
 
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I think the problem with Welsh D (and I have known a couplr that would acted so insanely to put themselves and rider in danger) is actually that they are working animals and often don't get sufficient work to keep them sane.
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Its actually more likely to be type 2 PSSM. Testing is showing its absolutely rife in the breed, no doubt due to all the inbreeding.
 
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