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She asked which dog to use....not whether she should breed or not.
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Surely her reason for breeding is as valid as anyone else's reason for breeding - the end result is exactly the same for goodness sake.
 
Thanks chrisiamas l did not want to get involved in the slanging, so l guess as there are so many labs no one should breed any?? And what do lab breeders (or all breeders) do it for the love only and donate any profit to charity
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Why if l was doing it for money would that not make me still find the best possible homes for the puppies after all l love my lab and am a caring and responsible adult!!! No doubt someone will tell me otherwise
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Thanks chrisiamas l did not want to get involved in the slanging, so l guess as there are so many labs no one should breed any?? And what do lab breeders (or all breeders) do it for the love only and donate any profit to charity
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Why if l was doing it for money would that not make me still find the best possible homes for the puppies after all l love my lab and am a caring and responsible adult!!! No doubt someone will tell me otherwise
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Most breeders are actually doing so to improve on the lines and stock that they've already got. Yes there is a profit but that's not normally the main reason for producing a litter. Also you have to take into consideration costs such as an emergancy caeserean - cost nearly £600 for my Jack Russell to have a C-sec!! and costs of weaning puppies etc.

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Yes but as the reason why l am doing this is to make money maybe l should go with the poodle!! Even tho l cant stand them!!

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I wouldn't advise you breed at all then. You've said yourself stud fees are expensive, also she may produce up to 12 puppies - what are you going to do if you can't home them?? You'll lose far more money. What if the homes don't work out? Are you prepared to have a dog you've bred back at your house whatever age it is and for whatever reason??

I don't agree in deliberately breeding cross breed dogs or breeding for monetary purposes - how irresponsible
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That's how come rescue centres are filling to bursting point and responsible, decent breeders are being tarred with the same brush as the irresponsible ones!

Don't agree with you but like someone else said, you'll do it any way. If I were you I would be sensible and take her to another Lab, but do your homework - you want a proven dog, ask how many pups he's thrown in a litter. Make sure you've got the days you're mating her right, this can affect numbers too. Also make sure he's got the relevent health checks such as hip scores, as Labs are prone to being hip displatic. You want a dog that compliments your bitch.

Hope that helps.
 
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Thanks chrisiamas l did not want to get involved in the slanging, so l guess as there are so many labs no one should breed any?? And what do lab breeders (or all breeders) do it for the love only and donate any profit to charity
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Why if l was doing it for money would that not make me still find the best possible homes for the puppies after all l love my lab and am a caring and responsible adult!!! No doubt someone will tell me otherwise
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It doesn't have to be a slanging match, but your comment about doing it to make money sounded flippant and mercinary, and you have to agree that that's likely to cause some people to feel strongly enough about it to respond in a way not necessarily to your liking?
Yes there are good and bad breeders, and one would hope that an experienced and reputable one would aim to benefit their breed by carefully researching lineage and carrying out the relevant health screenings, and only producing very infrequently .....of course non of us are naive enough to believe that this is always the case, and we all know there are, and always will be lots of breeders who are only in it for the money and produce litter after litter....But just because other people do it doesn't make it right
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. There are other ways of making money.

And I'm sure no one was suggesting that you don't love and care for your girl.

I don't tend to join in heated forum debates, and certainly wouldn't try to start a slanging match.... like everyone else, I'm just voicing my opinion.
 
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Most breeders are actually doing so to improve on the lines and stock that they've already got.

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You see I would actually take issue with this statement. I don't think that this is the case at all and would even take a risk and suggest that most people in the world who breed dogs, are doing it for money. If not, then why charge?
 
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Most breeders are actually doing so to improve on the lines and stock that they've already got.

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You see I would actually take issue with this statement. I don't think that this is the case at all and would even take a risk and suggest that most people in the world who breed dogs, are doing it for money. If not, then why charge?

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Can't speak for other breeds, but my breeder does it because she is passionate about showing, about producing the best BT possible. After paying for stud fees, health testing etc., there is the astromical sums spent on travelling all over America to various shows. She really doesn't make any money from selling pet quality pups, being that BTs have small litters of 2, 3 or 4, and she only has one litter a year.

She is far from unusual; the breeders I'm friends with operate in this manner.
 
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Most breeders are actually doing so to improve on the lines and stock that they've already got. Yes there is a profit but that's not normally the main reason for producing a litter. Also you have to take into consideration costs such as an emergancy caeserean - cost nearly £600 for my Jack Russell to have a C-sec!! and costs of weaning puppies etc.

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Labs are a similar size to an inuit so if need be she'd be talking £1000.
 
Speaking for myself, I used to breed to improve my line and hopefully produce a puppy to show and carry on the breeding line. Yes I sold the rest of the litter, and usually had a waiting list for puppies from people who had dogs from me in the past. I charged for them because rearing a litter costs a lot of money. Yes you might have a nice little pot of cash when you sell the puppies, but if you look back at feeding and vet care for the bitch, stud fees, checks such as hip scoring, KC registration and rearing the puppies, it is an expensive business. When I stopped showing I only bred a very occasional litter to carry on my line.
I think what upset me and others about OP was that they seemed to only be interested in the money and were trying to choose a dog purely on which pups they could charge more for.
 
I haven't said whether I think this is right or wrong, it's nothing to do with me therefore I'm not going to judge, however my point is, the OP is going to breed and stated as one of her reasons, money. My understanding of this answer is, well the end result will still be the same - puppies and if money is what she wants, then she will still have to take all the same precautions with a crossbreed as she would with a purebred, otherwise she won't make as much money as she thinks....that or will end up with lots of dogs back at some stage.

I have a little floosie here who is about to drop with her own pups. She is a crossbreed from pedigree parents. She has no health issues, I bought her 5 years ago and will keep her till she dies. She had some hanky panky with a dog who is one of the breeds that she has actually been crossed with so her pups will be purer than she is LOL!! Just because they are crossbred puppies and were unplanned, doesn't mean that I won't take responsibility for any puppies that may be returned at any point in the future....and doesn't mean that I haven't chosen my buyers (who are also waiting in line for one of her puppies) with care and consideration to the needs of this type of dog.
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Oh and yes, I am selling them and yes right now, this about the only thing which is positive about having them, so you could really lump me into the same boat as the OP.
 
How often is standard practice for dog breeders? I would have thought that they have at least 2 litters a year? Probably more - but I'm a horse breeder so no nowt about breeding puppies.
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How often is standard practice for dog breeders? I would have thought that they have at least 2 litters a year? Probably more - but I'm a horse breeder so no nowt about breeding puppies.
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I understand that good practice is to breed from a bitch every other year at the most. The KC also has restrictions on the age of the bitch.
 
Oh. That doesn't appear to be usual over here. Most of the top breeders in this area have at least 2 litters a year from what I have viewed. Maybe it is a cultural thing?
 
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How often is standard practice for dog breeders? I would have thought that they have at least 2 litters a year? Probably more - but I'm a horse breeder so no nowt about breeding puppies.
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I understand that good practice is to breed from a bitch every other year at the most. The KC also has restrictions on the age of the bitch.

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Every other season is what the AKC recommends as well. And two-years-old should be the absolute minimum age for a bitch to be bred.
 
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Eh? One of you is saying every other year and the other is saying every other season "aswell".

Does anyone actually know what is usual?
 
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Eh? One of you is saying every other year and the other is saying every other season "aswell".

Does anyone actually know what is usual?

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Sorry. Horrific jetlag today. I did mean every other season. Misread the first post.
 
Yes that sounds plausible to me and what I appear to have seen as usual over here.

Jetlag?? Where have you been? Somewhere exotic and warm?
 
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Yes that sounds plausible to me and what I appear to have seen as usual over here.

Jetlag?? Where have you been? Somewhere exotic and warm?

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Manchester
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Amazing how one forgets that the north of England, though technically warmer, has that awful bone-penetrating damp to snare you with.
 
Most responsible breeders will only breed from a bitch once a year or every other season. The KC will only accept registrations for a maximum of 6 litters in a bitches lifetime, as the first litter is usually about 2 and you can't register pups born to a bitch over 8 years that is about 1 litter a year. I wish the KC would enforce this but I don't think they do (could be wrong ).
You state you are in a similar position to the OP Christiamas, but the whole point is that your bitch was mated by mistake. Fair enough you are going to charge to cover your costs and maybe make some profit, but you did not set out intending to make money from her.
 
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Eh? One of you is saying every other year and the other is saying every other season "aswell".

Does anyone actually know what is usual?

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Sorry. Horrific jetlag today. I did mean every other season. Misread the first post.

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The AKC does recommend that, I just looked it up... The KC doesn't seem to have anything about frequency on their website.

But I have always been told that it is best to be every other year - I understood that it was good breeding practice. Anyway - a search on the internet comes up with various article to support this eg here but am sure experienced breeders can answer? Maybe echodomino?
 
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Oh and yes, I am selling them and yes right now, this about the only thing which is positive about having them, so you could really lump me into the same boat as the OP.

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Not the same at all Tia, big difference between your girl getting in pup and you doing the right thing and deciding to put a bitch in pup to make some cash ...
 
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Yes but as the reason why l am doing this is to make money maybe l should go with the poodle!! Even tho l cant stand them!!

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sorry but i think you are cruel. not cruel as in you are hurting anything, but you are breeding purely for money when most will end up in rescues.
have you not seen the amount of dogs that are put down because of backyard breeders (which is what you will become if you breed purely for money)
www.dogpages.org.uk

NOW tell me that you are special and your pups will never end up like this.

actually dont, cause you will be kidding yourself.

sorry but i have a thing about people who breed for money.

disgusted.
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True. I'm just making some good (money) out of a bad situation. Well I see money as good anyway.
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Will you be having your bitch spayed after she has had the puppies to make sure this doesn't happen again? That can be quite an expensive operation, but perhaps the profit from the puppies could fund it?
 
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In your humble opinion, will my dogs pups end up in rescues too?
 
I don't know if you followed the story, but the great irony here is that I actually took her to the vet to have her priced up for being spayed just the week before I noticed she was pregnant
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. Both the vet and I decided the previous week that as she is an outdoor dog it would be too cold for her to be outside with stitches at this time of year, so we decided to leave it till the Spring.

You see over here, we have such a limited window (due to sub-zero temps in winter and flies from Spring - Autumn) to have things like this done.

Yes the money from the puppies will pay for Lily to be spayed in the Spring.
 
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In your humble opinion, will my dogs pups end up in rescues too?

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sorry i exploded in the heat of the moment, cooled down now

but you will never know whether your pups will end up in rescues, neither will any other breeder/dog owner in the world.

but i dont agree with breeding for money.
 
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