Which magnetic stable wraps?!
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islandspirit
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I'm sorry if you feel I was having a go at Rhino, which was not my intent, and i do sincerely apologise if my post came across that way. I simply wanted to point out that everyone is entitled to an opinion whether backed up by scientific fact or not. To say my 'anecdote' was not related to the debate is nonsense though as Rieki is considered an alternative therapy. And yes, many of today's drugs are related to natural substances, but I think my point was missed in that we don't truly know or understand certain alternative therapies which is why we shouldn't rule them out however much scientific research is done at this time. I think I was also upset, that the poor OP was only asking which boot we all recommended, she didn't ask someone to tell her how stupid she was for wanting to spend her money on them. I don't pop to church every weekend to tell everyone that there is no scientific proof that god exists because I respect their choices and that they have a faith. If the OP had wanted to know if magnetic therapy worked then that is what she would have asked in the first place.
Janette
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^^^^^ This.
I wear a magnetic bracelt, because I have a dodgy knee. I was prepared to give it a try.
I usually came down the stairs 'dot and carry' style in the morning - 3 days after wearing the bracelet, I just walked down the stairs and was stunned when I realised what I had done. Nothing had changed, no new painkillers - just the bracelet. I do realise that this is anecdotal, but I can tell when I'm not wearing the bracelet by the way my knee feels.
I bought the magnetic wraps for Star about 7 years ago. She was recovering from a tendon injury. for the first 4 nights after beginning to use them, Star's stable was especially wet when mucking out. 'Something' had stimulated her kidneys.
I am using the same wraps again because she has damaged her suspensory ligament, and the same phenomenom has occured. A soaking wet stable for the first few nights.
My magnetic bracelet does not appear to be doing me any harm, and neither do Star's magnetic wraps for her.
Finally. We have an apartment in Cyprus where the water is very hard. There is a ring of deposits around the water level in toilet. Husband attached magnets to the water pipes which feed the toilet and the hard deposits have stopped forming.
It would appear to my very unscientific mind that magnets appear to do 'something'. Perhaps it just hasn't been quantified/explained yet.
I wear a magnetic bracelt, because I have a dodgy knee. I was prepared to give it a try.
I usually came down the stairs 'dot and carry' style in the morning - 3 days after wearing the bracelet, I just walked down the stairs and was stunned when I realised what I had done. Nothing had changed, no new painkillers - just the bracelet. I do realise that this is anecdotal, but I can tell when I'm not wearing the bracelet by the way my knee feels.
I bought the magnetic wraps for Star about 7 years ago. She was recovering from a tendon injury. for the first 4 nights after beginning to use them, Star's stable was especially wet when mucking out. 'Something' had stimulated her kidneys.
I am using the same wraps again because she has damaged her suspensory ligament, and the same phenomenom has occured. A soaking wet stable for the first few nights.
My magnetic bracelet does not appear to be doing me any harm, and neither do Star's magnetic wraps for her.
Finally. We have an apartment in Cyprus where the water is very hard. There is a ring of deposits around the water level in toilet. Husband attached magnets to the water pipes which feed the toilet and the hard deposits have stopped forming.
It would appear to my very unscientific mind that magnets appear to do 'something'. Perhaps it just hasn't been quantified/explained yet.
madgeymoo
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i am a firm believer that magnets do work.. i use on many things and have two that sleep in the leg magnets at night atm one a lamintic and the 2nd a mare with PSD problems we use as they can be used for knees, hocks, pasterns etc :- (sometimes can be cheaper on ebay she has is a trader)
http://www.equimagnets.co.uk/equima...-knee-wrapboots----------------boots-88-p.asp
as research goes you have to be open minded to try new things what may work for one does not mean it will work for another... it has also been proven to stimulate blood flow so this itself is beneficial!!!! although do not place magnets on a horse with an infection or abcess as this can cause more problems
http://www.equimagnets.co.uk/equima...-knee-wrapboots----------------boots-88-p.asp
as research goes you have to be open minded to try new things what may work for one does not mean it will work for another... it has also been proven to stimulate blood flow so this itself is beneficial!!!! although do not place magnets on a horse with an infection or abcess as this can cause more problems
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JFTDWS
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I wasnt the op's post
But you complained about me being sarcastic about other people's views
It's none of my business what you choose to believe or do with your horses, but I do have a problem with some of the assertions / logic that has posted on this thread and I have every right to react as I see fit to that on an open forum. I never quoted you or commented on your opinions anyway? I meant island spirit anyway, not the OP...
JFTDWS
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Have you got a reference for that?
Rhino's post links to a peer reviewed sci paper claiming the contrary...
(I'm not saying your beliefs are wrong, I'm just suggesting this particular claim is not supported by current scientific evidence
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Holly Hocks
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As for your story - that's a cute little anecdote. Absolutely meaningless, in the context of debate, though.
However, as you say, it's your horse and your money. Knock yourself outNo need to be aggressive towards the voice of scientific reason on an open forum, though
I didn't find IslandSpirit's post remotely aggressive. Yours however does come across as aggressive and sarcastic. You possibly didn't mean it to be, but that's how it comes across...
Marydoll
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But you complained about me being sarcastic about other people's views
I meant island spirit anyway, not the OP...
And i am happy to listen to all points of view on this topic, bit your post was particularly sarcastic and thats why i felt the need to say to you
JFTDWS
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Apologies to IS - it was the OP who was rather aggressive towards rhino in the first instance - that's me not paying attention to who's posting what.
My post towards IS is sarcastic because I find myself incensed by people who post utter nonsense - e.g. nice anecdotes about reiki or ramblings about how they used to work in big pharma and met people who believed in alternative medicines - as evidence for something which has been repeatedly shown not to be effective.
It is meant to be sarcastic - I honestly can't stand this sort of pseudo-science, and whilst people are free to believe what they choose, if they discuss it on an open forum, I defend my right to tear apart their poorly constructed arguments to my heart's content
You can judge me on that all you like JFTDWS
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Why? I've not breached T&Cs, I've not been rude, and there's no law against sarcasm.
Marydoll
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Arrogent as well as sarcastic .... Nice mix
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JFTDWS
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Is it arrogant to defend my right to be sarcastic on an open forum?
Then yes, I'm arrogant
Marydoll
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Yes you are, on that i will agree
JFTDWS
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Holly Hocks
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Apologies to IS - it was the OP who was rather aggressive towards rhino in the first instance - that's me not paying attention to who's posting what.
My post towards IS is sarcastic because I find myself incensed by people who post utter nonsense - e.g. nice anecdotes about reiki or ramblings about how they used to work in big pharma and met people who believed in alternative medicines - as evidence for something which has been repeatedly shown not to be effective.
It is meant to be sarcastic - I honestly can't stand this sort of pseudo-science, and whilst people are free to believe what they choose, if they discuss it on an open forum, I defend my right to tear apart their poorly constructed arguments to my heart's content
I totally understand where you're coming from. But I think when all other avenues with either a human or animal have been exhausted you start to look for something "alternative". I've been guilty of it myself (apart from the magnetic wraps LOL!!). My last horse had severe arthritis and was on daily bute for the last 10 months. I'd read of other people having success with Turmeric for inflammation, so I tried it in his food. It did bugger all, so I put him back on the bute. My current big horse also has a multitude of problems - again arthritis being one of them. All other avenues have been exhausted so I'm trying boswellia which I've read is good for arthritis - it's too soon to see whether it's making a difference and I'm not getting my hopes up, but sometimes it's a matter of just trying something else and also being honest if it doesnt' work, to admit that it doesn't work. She's been on a joint supplement for 18 months - I can honestly say it hasn't worked! But scientifically proven drugs don't always work either. I've taken some painkillers when I had an illness which were prescribed to me. They did nothing for the pain, but they did put me in hospital as the side effects were so severe of diahorrea and vomiting and pains like I've never experienced before, that if someone had a gun I would quite happily have asked them to shoot me!
So while I don't 100% agree with "alternative"therapies, I don't 100% agree with orthodox medicine either.
JFTDWS
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I don't think there is a sentence in this that I could disagree with.
I completely understand people using alternative / unproven treatments as a last resort, or because they can afford it and it won't do any harm. And if you see an effect, that's great
And yes, prescription medication doesn't always work, sadly. It can however be shown to work to a known degree in the majority of patients, relative to a placebo. It doesn't make it any easier when you're the one who has an ADR or it just doesn't work for though!As I said before, there were specific claims made on this thread which were to me like a red flag to a bull. It's not the idea of using magnetic therapy that winds me up, it's the bizarre logic some people use to claim it works.
FWIW, the only arthritic mare I've ever known whose owner tried magnetic boots with was shot earlier this year. She was lovely and it was a terrible shame. However, that is also anecdotal and is no more useful to assess the benefits of magnetic therapy than the other anecdotes of successful use shared here.
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Marydoll
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Op im pretty sure premiere equine have the magnetic wraps in their sale, i use them on my old mare, and they definitely help her, she is less stiff, and moves freer when shes been wearing them, check their wensite
islandspirit
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On the contrary, JFTD, you are being rude and as they say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. But on the plus side, you have been great after dinner entertainment!
perryhillbay
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Thank you to everyone who answered my original question as to which brands people recommend. I've just logged on here and can't believe how this thread has gone mad!
I am sorry to the poster(s) who found my response earlier aggressive, I did not intend this, but it can be very frustrating on here at times when you just want some simple answers to a simple question and then you end up being quizzed on why you are doing such a thing and you judgement being questioned.
At the end of the day, I just try to do the best for my horse as I am sure every other poster on here does. As for evidence on magnets being anecdotal- true, but they don't cause any problems either, where is the harm?
Time to save up for the veredus boots I suppose...
I am sorry to the poster(s) who found my response earlier aggressive, I did not intend this, but it can be very frustrating on here at times when you just want some simple answers to a simple question and then you end up being quizzed on why you are doing such a thing and you judgement being questioned.
At the end of the day, I just try to do the best for my horse as I am sure every other poster on here does. As for evidence on magnets being anecdotal- true, but they don't cause any problems either, where is the harm?
Time to save up for the veredus boots I suppose...
alsiola
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What's the harm in promoting alternative medicine quackery? If these 276 people were still alive maybe they could tell you...
http://whatstheharm.net/alternativemedicine.html
rhino
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Fairly ridiculous statement and horribly hysterical website. These people did NOT die because of alternative/complementary medicine, they died because they refused to accept conventional medicine.
I'm pretty sure that OP would get a vet involved if it were necessary; all she is doing is trying to make her horse as comfortable as possible, and there is nothing wrong with that!
ETA assuming her horse doesn't have a pacemaker fitted, obviously
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JFTDWS
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Yes it can be frustrating, I'm sure. It can be useful too - sometimes people pick up on things or can share information that saves you wasting time / money pursuing something pointless or with a limited chance of success. Worst case scenario is you get a bit of bickering on a thread and you go into whatever venture you wanted to do with your eyes open (which they may have been anyway!).
Assuming you've explored traditional medicine, the only harm is to your wallet. I can certainly understand your desire to try anything, even if it's not been shown to be effective scientifically. Most of the bickering on the thread has disputed the claims that it has done, or that somehow scientific testing is irrelevant. It's not irrelevant, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't want to try it anyway.