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i am looking to breed from my eventing mare via embryo transfer. she is 16.1hh well bred, mainly tb x hannoverian. she has evented up to intermediate/** . so i am looking for a nice top quality stallion, am willing to pay quite a lot for stud fee. ideally i would like something with a bit more power and definitely more uphill paces and presence in the dressage phase. would also like something that has already evented quite highly i.e advanced/***/**** or something with proven offspring. i like the look of Oslo, Chilli Morning or jumbo if still available??
Any suggestions greatly appreciated!!!
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Have you looked at Wolkenderry? Has evented with Alex Hua Tia I believe, lovely horse, very sociable and has great paces, so will help the dressage side of eventing.
 
What about take it to the limit? Best strike rate of any eventing stallion as his offspring have done so well out of a tiny pool of mares . He has a fab motherline as well as all his brothers and sisters from his dam evented internationally& many event stallions lack a good motherline
 
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What about take it to the limit? Best strike rate of any eventing stallion as his offspring have done so well out of a tiny pool of mares . He has a fab motherline as well as all his brothers and sisters from his dam evented internationally& many event stallions lack a good motherline
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I would temper that with tiny pool of exceptional mares ,its called marketing.Mill law was launched in the same way and now you dont see a lot of his offspring doing well at the futurity.
 
Depends how heavy your mare is and what Hannovarian lines she has. It would be worth looking at what the Germans are producing to look for a good cross as they will be used to improving on the Hannovarian to produce top eventers.

All the statistics show that you need 75% TB for a 4* horse so if your mare is really 50% then you would be looking at something with a good dose of TB. It depends what you are looking for in order to increase the uphill engagement - a better hind leg or just generally more power behind.

I would be wary about Oslo as he has very few progeny, Chilli could be an option but he failed his grading before being graded on performance so I would want a mare with very strong conformation. Jumbo I feel would not add enough blood to the mix for what you are looking for.

At the moment I have not seen a horse by Harlequin Du Carel that I have not liked. He is Selle Francais so you would still have enough blood. He seems to cross very well with half bred horses and they can really jump and move.

There is lots of choice and the best thing is to visit lots of studs and see the progeny out performing. I am an avid watcher at BE of horses I love the look of and then match it up with how they are bred. There are lots of very quality TB stallions if you decide to head that direction and there are some good stallion events coming up.
 
I would never judge an event stallion on futurity results would rather see the eventing results under saddle.
Horses like TI2TL may have had a small amount of mares but on the other vein Jumbo has had vast numbers.. Wonder how many of his stock were duds & what strike rate he has had.

Anyway lots of choice out there!
 
Outside but what about Jaguar Mail? The Fredericks seemed to really rate him and I like the look of what he has thrown. I will temper this saying I have not seen said stallion in the flesh or watched any progeny competing, was just taken by his youngstock and his breeding on paper.
 
I was not against any of them but good youngstock results with a small pool of mares always needs looking at with caution! I am hoping to use Take it 2 the limit myself this year but that was based on his attributes and not youngstock performance and the mare im putting him to.
I agree with LEC dont assume that warmblood stallions are not right as a lot are now carrying a high percentage TB but personally I would aim for 7/8 TB in an eventer aiming for the top.
Certainly disregard Jumbo with your mares breeding ,Chilli morning would be ok TI2TL would give enough of a TB injection to work Louella did have some Primitive rising semen left but not sure if they would consider your mare as far enough up the tree competition wise. Royal Dik throws some really outstanding youngsters and temperament wise is more suited than some from the same stable.
 
You must look outside the box. You have a mare which competed ,what were her short comings and look at the transmitted heritable traits that are proven to be passed on that might help to correct those faults. Stallions that are fashionable in their first year soon show up as having lower figures at a later date. To see what information is available to breeders look at the hannoveraner website under breeding/stallion directory/name of stallion and see how much information you can get before you look at a stallion in the flesh. Dont forget the changes planned in the future by the FEI for the format of eventing as you do not want to breed a horse that is to compete in 7 years time for a format that no longer exists. I do not breed eventers but a horse I bred and produced and sold as a five year old was selected for the WBFSH young event horse championships in France by BE. I currently use the Contender son Comte which is 5th in the top jumping stallion list produced by Hanover. Fox Pitt rode a Westphalian horse in the Olympics after a name change to make it look more British.
 
sywell said:
Fox Pitt rode a Westphalian horse in the Olympics after a name change to make it look more British.
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Yes and we all know that showed up its shortcomings!It is a good example but of what to be careful of. Please dont fall into the trap of thinking its becoming easier as the olympics showed that WBs still struggled.The OP already has a half Hanoverian mare so personally would not be looking to breed a 3/4 han however sporting they are becoming.
 
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Could be why fox Pitt has gone and bought the ex racehorse Running Order this winter to add to his advanced string, he has quite a few pure Tb's now I think.
 
sywell said:
You must look outside the box. You have a mare which competed ,what were her short comings and look at the transmitted heritable traits that are proven to be passed on that might help to correct those faults. Stallions that are fashionable in their first year soon show up as having lower figures at a later date. To see what information is available to breeders look at the hannoveraner website under breeding/stallion directory/name of stallion and see how much information you can get before you look at a stallion in the flesh. Dont forget the changes planned in the future by the FEI for the format of eventing as you do not want to breed a horse that is to compete in 7 years time for a format that no longer exists. I do not breed eventers but a horse I bred and produced and sold as a five year old was selected for the WBFSH young event horse championships in France by BE. I currently use the Contender son Comte which is 5th in the top jumping stallion list produced by Hanover. Fox Pitt rode a Westphalian horse in the Olympics after a name change to make it look more British.
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Very well put. Comte is actually by Contendro 1 who himself has a lot of Anglo Arab blood being in bred to Ramzes a few times. Contendro has quite a few talented horses coming through all of the disciplines.
Another interesting one is Codex One by Contendro, very blood looking and athletic.
 
she is mainly thoroughbred in her conformation, but has demonstartor lines (GRANDSIRE) although it hasn't really come through, her dam was an advanced eventer and her sire i am not to sure about as he is french. she has a great jump and sweet paces but is generally built more downhill than i would want. i am not sure she had 'shortcomings' in her eventing career she is still eventing but she has such a fabulous temperament that she has brought a few up from being nervous wrecks to being confident eventing and novice/intermediate and jumping up to 1.40 courses. her weakest phaase would be dressage. she is exceptionally bold only ever having two stops on her BE record.
 
I would look at Pointiliste, the stallion standing in place of Master Imp. What they don't know about TB's isn't worth knowing. he is an incredible mover, there might be youtube footage of him at the Cavan parade of the RDS. Stunnig mover, real blood but proper bone. The horses that did well in the Olympics had mostly 1 full TB parent-Master Imp featured strongly and the gold medal horse was by Stan The Man, a small chestnut Irish TB.

The full brother to High Kingdom and Mandiba is standing in Ireland also, and should be availabe for AI. His mane is Jackaroo, and he stands with William Micklem. Now there's a pedigree that's fully performance tested, (he is by master imp) adn would add the quality Tb your mare needs, althought Pointiliste is way more uphill and may suit your mare better.

Enjoy te stallion shopping!
 
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