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I've owned both the parents breed at one point or another and can't say as it's a cross I'd ever want to make due in no small part to the many problems suffered by Papillons (which were just one of the reasons we didn't breed from our bitch).
 
I saw some Rottie x Huskies for sale online yesterday (the 'husky' looking rather more like a Mal in the photo than a sibe) Why Why WHYYYYYYY?!!
 
The general feeling of people at my Ringcraft is that people create the crossbreeds because neither of the parents is good enough to generate decent pure bred puppies. So you cross to bad examples of 2 different breeds probably without doing any of the costly health checks decent pure breds fork out for and then you make up some cool name for the cross and hey presto you can sell the puppies!
 
Suppose if people are daft enough to pay stupid amounts for cross breeds, people are going to keep breeding them :(
I have 2 wonderful mutts, but they were given to me for free. I would've paid a small amount for the puppy, but the owner just wanted the puppies to go to good homes. Hers was an oops breeding.
 
Kaylum said:
In Harrods the other month they had little crossbred pups for sale for £2000.
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Crikey! If shops still sell puppies, then that is a very sad thing.

Anyway, back in the 60's they also had a baby baboon called Bella, and I used to go and spend time with her. I probably wasn't that much older than she was!! Eventually they asked if I'd like to take her for a walk. It was more of a carry, to be honest, how she used to cling on! The visits to her became more frequent, and we used to wander about on every floor, with strange looks from some of the visitors! She once had a wee in the book department, but no one noticed, apart from me!

I often wondered what happened to Bella. She probably ended up with a stale and futile existence, in a zoo.

Alec.
 
It makes me so mad when people breed mutts and give them fancy names.
I know that cross breeding can create a healthier animal with a longer life, but to price it at 100s of pounds is a joke.
Something else that bothers me, is people breeding "teacup" animals. The chihuahua being the perfect example. On Preloved they sell for thousands, but what you get is a sickly runt that will also cost thousands in vets bills.
My puppy is a cross and we payed £50 for him, he was 7 weeks old, I just think it's disgusting that there are mutts being put down in shelters across England and someone is willing to pay hundreds of pounds rather than adopt!
 
The_original_Kao said:
Suppose if people are daft enough to pay stupid amounts for cross breeds, people are going to keep breeding them :(
I have 2 wonderful mutts, but they were given to me for free. I would've paid a small amount for the puppy, but the owner just wanted the puppies to go to good homes. Hers was an oops breeding.
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People are also stupid enough to part with silly money for poorly-bred so-called pedigrees . . . I count a few of them among my friends (have had to bit my tongue HARD).

Breeding is a thorny issue . . . and an emotional one.

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misterjay said:
Why cross breed - just why?
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Ok i'm going to be pulled to bits but - there are a lot of pure bred dogs out there that cant walk/see/or hear/have heart problems/skin problems/cant breathe/cant eat properly thanks to the breeding regime and breed standards so although its a fashionable craze I can sort of understand why!
 
TBG we only had the one - bought from a friend many years ago. She had some eye problems, continence issues - we were never able to get her 'clean' through the night, she was a sweet little dog but have to say I wouldn't have another.
 
Orionstar said:
Ok i'm going to be pulled to bits but - there are a lot of pure bred dogs out there that cant walk/see/or hear/have heart problems/skin problems/cant breathe/cant eat properly thanks to the breeding regime and breed standards so although its a fashionable craze I can sort of understand why!
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Yes their is a lot of truth in that certain breeds do have major health issues and bear no resemblence to the original dog who was bred for a purpose. Im talking Bulldogs now who have breathing issues due to the ridiculous changes to their skull shape and nasal passages. Most reputable breeders do rigourous health testing on their dogs to try to breed a healthy pup and would urge anyone thinking of buying a pedigree pup only buy from these breeders. As for the others breeding designer dogs they are in it for the money charging well over the odds, sometimes double what a pedigree pup costs without the rigourous health testing.
 
out with Cara tonight, we came across a dogue du bordeaux x staffie. scary looking dude. At least it was on the lead but we met on a narrow path. I jsut called cara back and put her lead on. The guy with it was in a bit of a panic and told me to get right back out of its way. We did what he asked lol. Why would anyone do that x anyway?
 
HeatherAnn said:
It makes me so mad when people breed mutts and give them fancy names.
I know that cross breeding can create a healthier animal with a longer life, but to price it at 100s of pounds is a joke.
Something else that bothers me, is people breeding "teacup" animals. The chihuahua being the perfect example. On Preloved they sell for thousands, but what you get is a sickly runt that will also cost thousands in vets bills.
My puppy is a cross and we payed £50 for him, he was 7 weeks old, I just think it's disgusting that there are mutts being put down in shelters across England and someone is willing to pay hundreds of pounds rather than adopt!
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you only have to look on gumtree to find all these fancy x breeds its a discrace i got my terrier from battersea dogs home turned out she is a norfolk terrier was tiny when i got her didnt look like anything but as she got older you could see her breed
 
Orionstar said:
Ok i'm going to be pulled to bits but - there are a lot of pure bred dogs out there that cant walk/see/or hear/have heart problems/skin problems/cant breathe/cant eat properly thanks to the breeding regime and breed standards so although its a fashionable craze I can sort of understand why!
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I totally agree and those pedigrees will be bred from the bottom of the barrel no doubt, however what makes folk kthese designer X breeds or any X breed don't have the same issues?.
You don't have to be a genius (not you OS) Those breeding random X breeds to know some of these breeds are in no way compatable be it there breed traits or their body shape, this in turn causes all sorts of problems, be it badly distorted dogs, hideous behavioural issues or severe health issues.
There i simply no proof X breeds are healthier, you can just pin point the health issues to their exact breed, unlike X breeds as you don't know what the hell is in the half the time:rolleyes:
 
cassie summers said:
you only have to look on gumtree to find all these fancy x breeds its a discrace i got my terrier from battersea dogs home turned out she is a norfolk terrier was tiny when i got her didnt look like anything but as she got older you could see her breed
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This is because folk live in ignorant bliss, you have the folk breeding these designer breeds, never had a glimpse of the horrendous state of our rescue situatons or that rescue probably even exists or anything other than staffs reside in them:rolleyes: they think because their bitch has a vulva they should and have the right to breed (because they are producing cutzey wutezy puppies) from their specail bitch that loves to be stroked, can sit when told and is kind and looks like she would make a wuverly mammy;) they don't think the puppies will ever be abandoned (why on earth would they be:rolleyes:) they look so cute that could never happen...right? the 1st home is always the home the puppy remains in for life you see) and the thought of back up "well what is that":rolleyes: and they are paying alot of money, this always ensure they keep the dog...RIGHT!
OR the bottom line of, the really don't give to shits, once they are paid for gone the re gone.

Then you have the buyer, for the most time clueless, gormless with too much money and like the look of cutezy wutezy puppies, know nothing about health tests, but because the breeder mentioned health CHECK! it must be the best bred thing money could buy;) and they don't even ask a single question about mother, other than "has she been a good mamsey to the bubbies?" and the father....well he is not even an after thought:rolleyes:
Even if folk turn up and it's maybe not exactly what they wanted or all the females are gone (which is definately what they wanted), they still buy one or even 2, because there are 2 left "awww"
Tehn it's easy to disard when he cuteness wears off, cos if he breeder had no room, the rescues probably did.;)
Lest not foget, they ca now tell he world they have a speacial ************* stupid name inserted there dog.

We also get the gum tree gormlesness with our hand in's:rolleyes:

I bought a dog from the ad paper thing and the people selling it said it was great with bairns, and great in the house, well it's not and I need to get rid of it tonight, like now, can you come and collect it":rolleyes:

Us... "Can you call them and speak to them about the dog"

"I have man, it just says "incorrect number", can you get it then, otherwise I will have to take it to me vet (by this they man PDSA, where its literally buttons to put it to sleep as they are on benefits"

The last on was a puppy rotti:(
 
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chestnuttymare said:
out with Cara tonight, we came across a dogue du bordeaux x staffie. scary looking dude. At least it was on the lead but we met on a narrow path. I jsut called cara back and put her lead on. The guy with it was in a bit of a panic and told me to get right back out of its way. We did what he asked lol. Why would anyone do that x anyway?
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There was one down at a local tack shop til recently. It was fab, friendly etc until I changed cars, when it went mad, barked it's head off at me and wouldn't let me open the car door. Not a good mix IMO and fugly, frankly.
 
cinammontoast said:
There was one down at a local tack shop til recently. It was fab, friendly etc until I changed cars, when it went mad, barked it's head off at me and wouldn't let me open the car door. Not a good mix IMO and fugly, frankly.
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It was very ugly!! bit like the dogue du B head but more squished, dogue du b body and short staffie legs.
 
It's lack of education on breeder's and buyer's side, if people are stupid enough to pay big £s for a "designer" then people will be stupid enough to breed them.

Not denying that there are some fudged up pedigree breeds but there are also a lot of people working on rectifying that. Plus with a cross breed you can't necessarily trace back any of the history behind the dogs where as some pedigrees go back 100s of years so you can trace and figure out where these problems are and what lines to avoid - if you're being responsible.

I posted a similar post yonks ago having seen numerous JRTx's that are selling for more than a standard JRT - no way I'd get £450 for one of my JRT pups! I think it's sad that cross breeds are taking over the traditional breeds
 
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