Whippet not quite right

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My oldest boy is 8 this year, always been fit and well. He got attacked by a lab and was very sore and stiff over his shoulders and neck. Had physio and was back to his silly frolicking self the next day. I don't know if this is related or not, but about 3 or 4 weeks after that he started to look NQR behind, and lost muscle tone. It coincided with a period of very limited exercise as the younger whippet absolutely skinned his stopper pads and needed a few weeks recovery time. So I monitored it, but then he started showing more symptoms. If he gets up from rest he holds that leg up and hops about then it seems to recover. I'm not convinced hes totally sound though. I think he might also be avoiding jumping up on the bed etc, but difficult to be sure as we are temporarily living in a huge static caravan so we have loads of space compared to a small boat. I could equally be totally paranoid.

Anyway, vet visit was very inconclusive. He has a full range of movement in that leg, can bend it and have it manipulated at any angle and doesn't mind at all, no swelling or heat, no response to even quite hard manipulation. We trialled a small dose of paracetamol twice a day, limited exercise and he was fine. Upped the exercise and occasionally he looked off the next day if he was tired. Off the paracetamol the weird intermittent soreness is back. Next step is xrays and scans, and I’m loathe to put him through a GA as an 8yr old sight hound unless I’m sure it will be helpful.

We went to physio last night and shes stumped. Absolute mobile joints, no unusual muscle tone. The muscle at the top of his leg on the inside is maybe slightly bigger but it might have always been like that.So she agreed with the vet, rest for 2 weeks, monitor and back to the vet if no improvement.

Today he woke up and was clearly sore and tired, and got out of bed hopping lame, went out for a wee, came in sound and went to bed. He doesn’t show any signs of pain in his face, and he is the most dramatic dog. He faints when he has his nails clipped and screams sometimes in anticipation of things he doesn’t like. When his shoulders were hurt in the dog attack he kept coming up to me whimpering and wanting to be coddled. Hes not doing that this time. If I didn’t know any different I’d say it didn’t hurt. But dogs don’t hold their leg up for no reason.

Vet, physio and me have checked his pads over and over. I was convinced there was a grass seed, or a corn or something in his foot, but theres no sign of anything, then I assumed arthritis, hes the right age etc but the vet isnt convinced. I also took him and paid to have his nails clipped and examined, just in case there was something I wasn’t seeing there.

I’m now convinced hes got bone cancer and its intermittently causing problems. He has no signs of that, but sight hounds are prone to it and I’m prone to panic when it comes to the dogs.

I’ll rest him for the 2 weeks, monitor and then go back to the vet, but if anyone has any ideas or has seen anything similar I’m all ears. They did listen but were fairly dismissive and worked on the basis he’s just tweaked something, but its gone on a bit long for that now
 

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My oldest boy is 8 this year, always been fit and well. He got attacked by a lab and was very sore and stiff over his shoulders and neck. Had physio and was back to his silly frolicking self the next day. I don't know if this is related or not, but about 3 or 4 weeks after that he started to look NQR behind, and lost muscle tone. It coincided with a period of very limited exercise as the younger whippet absolutely skinned his stopper pads and needed a few weeks recovery time. So I monitored it, but then he started showing more symptoms. If he gets up from rest he holds that leg up and hops about then it seems to recover. I'm not convinced hes totally sound though. I think he might also be avoiding jumping up on the bed etc, but difficult to be sure as we are temporarily living in a huge static caravan so we have loads of space compared to a small boat. I could equally be totally paranoid.

Anyway, vet visit was very inconclusive. He has a full range of movement in that leg, can bend it and have it manipulated at any angle and doesn't mind at all, no swelling or heat, no response to even quite hard manipulation. We trialled a small dose of paracetamol twice a day, limited exercise and he was fine. Upped the exercise and occasionally he looked off the next day if he was tired. Off the paracetamol the weird intermittent soreness is back. Next step is xrays and scans, and I’m loathe to put him through a GA as an 8yr old sight hound unless I’m sure it will be helpful.

We went to physio last night and shes stumped. Absolute mobile joints, no unusual muscle tone. The muscle at the top of his leg on the inside is maybe slightly bigger but it might have always been like that.So she agreed with the vet, rest for 2 weeks, monitor and back to the vet if no improvement.

Today he woke up and was clearly sore and tired, and got out of bed hopping lame, went out for a wee, came in sound and went to bed. He doesn’t show any signs of pain in his face, and he is the most dramatic dog. He faints when he has his nails clipped and screams sometimes in anticipation of things he doesn’t like. When his shoulders were hurt in the dog attack he kept coming up to me whimpering and wanting to be coddled. Hes not doing that this time. If I didn’t know any different I’d say it didn’t hurt. But dogs don’t hold their leg up for no reason.

Vet, physio and me have checked his pads over and over. I was convinced there was a grass seed, or a corn or something in his foot, but theres no sign of anything, then I assumed arthritis, hes the right age etc but the vet isnt convinced. I also took him and paid to have his nails clipped and examined, just in case there was something I wasn’t seeing there.

I’m now convinced hes got bone cancer and its intermittently causing problems. He has no signs of that, but sight hounds are prone to it and I’m prone to panic when it comes to the dogs.

I’ll rest him for the 2 weeks, monitor and then go back to the vet, but if anyone has any ideas or has seen anything similar I’m all ears. They did listen but were fairly dismissive and worked on the basis he’s just tweaked something, but its gone on a bit long for that now

Is it a front leg?
 

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Oh sorry, no, I left out the most important bit, its a back left, back left. His front end has been totally fine since the first physio appointment. I am sure it can't be his hock as hes bending it up when he hops, gut instinct says foot, as in he wants to keep the foot off the floor and it would explain why there's no joint pain and hes totally mobile etc, but thats just my layman's guess.
 

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I’d be suspicious of a brachial plexus issue, that’s the first thing that sprung to mind

Reading the symptoms, definitely not that. Hes got full feeling in his legs and is able to give a fairly strong kick if he thinks I'm going to clip nails which he hates. And its the back leg. Thank god as its scary reading!
 

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My guess would be cruciate ligament strain. Whippets are famous for their standing starts, deep leaps, powering down the back straight, jinking and twisting. Can you find any discomfort around the stifle area or is he a Very Brave Whippet?
 

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He is the least brave whippet I know 🤣 Which is why I'm so confused as if it hurt he'd be showing me and making a fuss and he's not. Hes a gorgeous natured dog and genuinely believes I can fix any hurt. I've just prodded and poked and manipulated him, thinking if he's a bit sore from physio then it might show something up.

I think it IS in his foot, on the hinge sort of joint where his leg joins his toes. Between the metatarsals and the phalanges. He cried when he got up and his foot got tangled in the duvet, so I leapt up and had a look while it was obviously sore. For once I did get a reaction when bending his foot backwards, not very much but a worried face and head turn and taking his leg away. Nothing from stifle, hock, or hip. It would also make sense as to why he carries the leg up off the ground sometimes. I cant imagine you'd hoick your leg up if the stifle/hip or hock hurt. So I'm guessing that's the DFT? I did wonder if he'd broken a toe or similar, but there's no reaction to prodding those or wiggling them, it seems to be the specific action of the joint going into the foot bending backwards. Its a very mild reaction and intermittent, which could fit in with that as well maybe.

I will ring the vet see if its worth scanning. Do they do that for dogs?! It turns out that if its not comparable to a horse then I know very little about dog veterinary treatment!
 

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Hes laid asleep but woke up and looked round every time when I flexed the foot up and back and didn't even twitch for anything else, so I'm sure its there. Explains why my gut instinct was it being his foot.

And to the person who said about standing starts etc, he is a bit more sedate than the young hooligan but they play like idiots, tripping each other up and throwing each other to the ground by their necks, so he could easily have been hurt doing that. I'm always surprised they don't get hurt more the way they carry on!
 

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Could he have a grass seed or thorn in a pad . A few years back I had a Gsd who was very lame and it seemed to be pad but nothing showing . I poulticed it for a few days with magnesium paste with no result then saw a tiny pin prick . A bit of prodding and a huge black thorn appeared !
 

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I dont think so, we've all been over them with a fine tooth comb and there's just nothing and he doesn't care if you touch his pads. I've just been watching him move on rough ground, and he doesn't flex the foot to leg joint as much on that side. Its mild, but I can see it now. Although I suppose he wouldn't want to flex the joint if the pad or lower leg had something in. I've got nothing to lose while he's resting for 2 weeks again, so will see if he will tolerate it
 

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Poor boy. Hope he mends soon. Not at all sure what the problem might be, however, I got brilliant results with a McTimoney practitioner for my old whippet girl who showed lameness. Turned out she had a problem in her back which was vastly improved by some regular sessions. Might be worth a try. Whippet barks from my lot to your boy.
 

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Whippet (and sighthound) feet are more susceptible to injury, particularly hind feet due to the forces exerted on them. One of our whippets has toe ligament issues. We were referred to a specialist orthopaedic vet and had foot x-rays.
 

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I also took him and paid to have his nails clipped and examined, just in case there was something I wasn’t seeing there.

If his nails have been too long, it could be that he has been putting weight on the wrong part of his foot, walking more on the back of his foot than he should.
 

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If his nails have been too long, it could be that he has been putting weight on the wrong part of his foot, walking more on the back of his foot than he should.

Yeah, this does happen. Hes an absolute fool about it if I try to do it and if the groomer/vet does it, he "faints". Literally just drops onto his side like hes dead. I think a combination of letting them get a bit too long, and carrying on with his younger, fitter brother after a period of rest so he lost fitness has probably created the perfect storm in an 8yr old.

He was sore last night but looks better this morning, but now I know what it is, I keep seeing the missteps if the ground isn't totally level etc. Its defintely the equivalent of the wrist joint in people. I've cancelled plans to take the younger dog showing and racing this weekend as I want Floyd to actually rest properly and I'll book back into the vets, see if they can scan rather then X-ray to avoid a GA, but if he needs an X-ray so be it. I can't have him not being right for the rest of his life because I don't want to risk a GA. And I think I might have to get tougher on the exercise front if there's a hole or tear. He will just have to stay in the car or at home while I exercise the younger one if total rest is what it needs and I will have to deal with the sulks and misery.

I've been exceptionally lucky and never had a health problem with any of the whippets, not even stitches needed, so I guess I was well overdue a whippet injury, it was just such a weird odd presentation which no one really seems unduly worried about but me, and I'm not rational when it comes to my boys, so its hard to tell if I'm being OTT or the vet etc is being too laid back. Possibly a combination of both I guess.
 

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Yeah, this does happen. Hes an absolute fool about it if I try to do it and if the groomer/vet does it, he "faints". Literally just drops onto his side like hes dead. I think a combination of letting them get a bit too long, and carrying on with his younger, fitter brother after a period of rest so he lost fitness has probably created the perfect storm in an 8yr old.

He was sore last night but looks better this morning, but now I know what it is, I keep seeing the missteps if the ground isn't totally level etc. Its defintely the equivalent of the wrist joint in people. I've cancelled plans to take the younger dog showing and racing this weekend as I want Floyd to actually rest properly and I'll book back into the vets, see if they can scan rather then X-ray to avoid a GA, but if he needs an X-ray so be it. I can't have him not being right for the rest of his life because I don't want to risk a GA. And I think I might have to get tougher on the exercise front if there's a hole or tear. He will just have to stay in the car or at home while I exercise the younger one if total rest is what it needs and I will have to deal with the sulks and misery.

I've been exceptionally lucky and never had a health problem with any of the whippets, not even stitches needed, so I guess I was well overdue a whippet injury, it was just such a weird odd presentation which no one really seems unduly worried about but me, and I'm not rational when it comes to my boys, so its hard to tell if I'm being OTT or the vet etc is being too laid back. Possibly a combination of both I guess.

Do you think if he has been walking more on the back of his foot rather than his toes it could be soft tissue strain rather than a bony problem? Would NSAIDs help recovery?
 
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I am absolutely convinced now hes strained something. Whatever muscle or ligament is pulled tight when their foot goes back and forward, it seems to be more the backward motion that is painful. My knowledge of dog anatomy is woeful and I'm going to have to educate myself!

I'm going to book him back into the vet and the physio. She uses lasers and other things and now we know where it is, she can focus there. The vet hopefully has some ideas about anti inflammatories or similar. Resting him when he gets separation anxiety left alone, and exercising the other one whose a nut case without hard work is going to be fun, so the more help he has to heal the better.
 

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I am absolutely convinced now hes strained something. Whatever muscle or ligament is pulled tight when their foot goes back and forward, it seems to be more the backward motion that is painful. My knowledge of dog anatomy is woeful and I'm going to have to educate myself!

I'm going to book him back into the vet and the physio. She uses lasers and other things and now we know where it is, she can focus there. The vet hopefully has some ideas about anti inflammatories or similar. Resting him when he gets separation anxiety left alone, and exercising the other one whose a nut case without hard work is going to be fun, so the more help he has to heal the better.

Fingers crossed for that they're able to help now that you've pinpointed it better. {{{{{Vibes}}}}}}
 

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In my greyhound experience (granted not the same as whippets!) I wholeheartedly recommend a good physio rather than a vet. I took my greyhound to a very good local practice & 3 vets failed to diagnose the lameness, physio got it on the first session.

Sounds like a muscle injury to me (and I’m the world’s worst at assuming bone cancer etc!) - it’s sometimes a bit of patience and trying this and that before the solution is found
 

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If it’s intermittent pain acupuncture can help loads as long as he doesn’t faint at needles. Bless his heart. Our Lurcher does the blood curdling scream of death if she gets her toe caught on anything their feet are really sensitive. Good luck and keep us posted.
 

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I do hope that your whippet will be feeling better very soon.. BeBe The Grippet (greyhound x whippet) was a total drama queen over any injury, real or imagined. She would fling herself onto the ground, scream and writhe about so that I couldn't get hold of her to inspect the alleged mortal wound. Usually, she would spot something that took her attention and she'd be off like a rocket, perfectly sound! If there was something, and I tried to treat it, she would negate my best efforts by wriggling out of my grip and roaring off. Fortunately, she never had anything that was serious.
 

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In my greyhound experience (granted not the same as whippets!) I wholeheartedly recommend a good physio rather than a vet. I took my greyhound to a very good local practice & 3 vets failed to diagnose the lameness, physio got it on the first session.

Sounds like a muscle injury to me (and I’m the world’s worst at assuming bone cancer etc!) - it’s sometimes a bit of patience and trying this and that before the solution is found
Same experience here with Ivy greyhound. Vet was fine and I appreciated the conservative approach but it was a bit like 'yes she doesn't like that leg being handled on that side' and I was thinking yes that is why we're here to find out why. Physio was my idea rather than their suggestion, they signed off for a referral and the physio identified iliopsoas tear almost immediately as well as give an incredible thorough once over of all her muscles and joints. Two treatments and some rest later, much better! :)
 

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Hes been to physio twice, first time for the front legs and back which was a dramatic and immediate fix, but she cant find anything wrong with his back legs. Its got even weirder. They come to work with me but generally just sleep and mooch about, and he looks a bit stiff and sore but basically fine. So loaded them up after work and went to the park, thinking he could have 5mins on his lead then back in the car. He sleeps on a 10" thick memory foam mattress in the back, with duvets and pillows, so totally comfortable soft bed, but he came out of the car on 3 legs. Absolutely hopping lame. the plan was let him have a wee and back to the vets asap, but within 2 minutes he had walked it off. These are some videos of him in the park. Videoing a moving whippet when your alone is damn near impossible. But I don't get how he can be 3 leg hopping lame to this in 5 minutes?! And not at any point make a fuss about it.

This is him 2 days ago, he looks good, but he's definitely lost some muscle tone behind, whether that's decreased work or something more sinister I don't know.

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This was the best attempt at a video I managed and its woeful! The itchy ear is Coop, who ran through nettles and nettled inside his ear.


This is just a random video of a little terrier who keeps coming and picking fights with my 2, so I took him for a walk with us to see if
I could get everyone coexisting a bit better, floydys the patchy smaller one, the spotty is my younger dog. Ive included it as when he's running/jumping away from the camera it looks off to me

 
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